President Obama gave these remarks on May 27, 2010.
THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon, everybody. Before I take your questions, I want to update the American people on the status of the BP oil spill -â€“ a catastrophe that is causing tremendous hardship in the Gulf Coast, damaging a precious ecosystem, and one that led to the death of 11 workers who lost their lives in the initial explosion.
Yesterday, the federal government gave BP approval to move forward with a procedure known as a â€śtop killâ€ť to try to stop the leak. This involves plugging the well with densely packed mud to prevent any more oil from escaping. And given the complexity of this procedure and the depth of the leak, this procedure offers no guarantee of success. But weâ€™re exploring any reasonable strategies to try and save the Gulf from a spill that may otherwise last until the relief wells are finished -â€“ and that's a process that could take months.
The American people should know that from the moment this disaster began, the federal government has been in charge of the response effort. As far as Iâ€™m concerned, BP is responsible for this horrific disaster, and we will hold them fully accountable on behalf of the United States as well as the people and communities victimized by this tragedy. We will demand that they pay every dime they owe for the damage theyâ€™ve done and the painful losses that theyâ€™ve caused. And we will continue to take full advantage of the unique technology and expertise they have to help stop this leak.
But make no mistake: BP is operating at our direction. Every key decision and action they take must be approved by us in advance. Iâ€™ve designated Admiral Thad Allen -â€“ who has nearly four decades of experience responding to such disasters -â€“ as the National Incident Commander, and if he orders BP to do something to respond to this disaster, they are legally bound to do it. So, for example, when they said they would drill one relief well to stem this leak we demanded a backup and ordered them to drill two. And they are in the process of drilling two.
As we devise strategies to try and stop this leak, weâ€™re also relying on the brightest minds and most advanced technology in the world. Weâ€™re relying on a team of scientists and engineers from our own national laboratories and from many other nations -â€“ a team led by our Energy Secretary and Nobel Prize-winning physicist, Stephen Chu. And weâ€™re relying on experts whoâ€™ve actually dealt with oil spills from across the globe, though none this challenging.
The federal government is also directing the effort to contain and clean up the damage from the spill -â€“ which is now the largest effort of its kind in U.S. history. In this case, the federal, state, and local governments have the resources and expertise to play an even more direct role in the response effort. And I will be discussing this further when I make my second trip to Louisiana tomorrow. But so far we have about 20,000 people in the region who are working around the clock to contain and clean up this oil. We have activated about 1,400 members of the National Guard in four states. We have the Coast Guard on site. We have more than 1,300 vessels assisting in the containment and cleanup efforts. Weâ€™ve deployed over 3 million feet of total boom to stop the oil from coming on shore -â€“ and today more than 100,000 feet of boom is being surged to Louisiana parishes that are facing the greatest risk from the oil.
So weâ€™ll continue to do whatever is necessary to protect and restore the Gulf Coast. For example, Admiral Allen just announced that weâ€™re moving forward with a section of Governor Jindalâ€™s barrier island proposal that could help stop oil from coming ashore. It will be built in an area that is most at risk and where the work can be most quickly completed.
Weâ€™re also doing whatever it takes to help the men and women whose livelihoods have been disrupted and even destroyed by this spill -â€“ everyone from fishermen to restaurant and hotel owners. So far the Small Business Administration has approved loans and allowed many small businesses to defer existing loan payments. At our insistence, BP is paying economic injury claims, and weâ€™ll make sure that when all is said and done, the victims of this disaster will get the relief that they are owed. Weâ€™re not going to abandon our fellow citizens. Weâ€™ll help them recover and we will help them rebuild.
And in the meantime, I should also say that Americans can help by continuing to visit the communities and beaches of the Gulf Coast. I was talking to the governors just a couple of days ago, and they wanted me to remind everybody that except for three beaches in Louisiana, all of the Gulfâ€™s beaches are open. They are safe and they are clean.
As we continue our response effort, weâ€™re also moving quickly on steps to ensure that a catastrophe like this never happens again. Iâ€™ve said before that producing oil here in America is an essential part of our overall energy strategy. But all drilling must be safe.
In recent months, Iâ€™ve spoken about the dangers of too much -- Iâ€™ve heard people speaking about the dangers of too much government regulation. And I think we can all acknowledge there have been times in history when the government has overreached. But in this instance, the oil industryâ€™s cozy and sometimes corrupt relationship with government regulators meant little or no regulation at all.
When Secretary Salazar took office, he found a Minerals and Management Service that had been plagued by corruption for years â€“- this was the agency charged with not only providing permits, but also enforcing laws governing oil drilling. And the corruption was underscored by a recent Inspector Generalâ€™s report that covered activity which occurred prior to 2007 -- a report that can only be described as appalling. And Secretary Salazar immediately took steps to clean up that corruption. But this oil spill has made clear that more reforms are needed.
For years, there has been a scandalously close relationship between oil companies and the agency that regulates them. Thatâ€™s why weâ€™ve decided to separate the people who permit the drilling from those who regulate and ensure the safety of the drilling.
I also announced that no new permits for drilling new wells will go forward until a 30-day safety and environmental review was conducted. That review is now complete. Its initial recommendations include aggressive new operating standards and requirements for offshore energy companies, which we will put in place.
Additionally, after reading the reportâ€™s recommendations with Secretary Salazar and other members of my administration, weâ€™re going to be ordering the following actions: First, we will suspend the planned exploration of two locations off the coast of Alaska. Second, we will cancel the pending lease sale in the Gulf of Mexico and the proposed lease sale off the coast of Virginia. Third, we will continue the existing moratorium and suspend the issuance of new permits to drill new deepwater wells for six months. And four, we will suspend action on 33 deepwater exploratory wells currently being drilled in the Gulf of Mexico.
Whatâ€™s also been made clear from this disaster is that for years the oil and gas industry has leveraged such power that they have effectively been allowed to regulate themselves. One example: Under current law, the Interior Department has only 30 days to review an exploration plan submitted by an oil company. That leaves no time for the appropriate environmental review. They result is, they are continually waived. And this is just one example of a law that was tailored by the industry to serve their needs instead of the publicâ€™s. So Congress needs to address these issues as soon as possible, and my administration will work with them to do so.
Still, preventing such a catastrophe in the future will require further study and deeper reform. Thatâ€™s why last Friday, I also signed an executive order establishing the National Commission on the BP Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill and Offshore Drilling. While there are a number of ongoing investigations, including an independent review by the National Academy of Engineering, the purpose of this commission is to consider both the root causes of the disaster and offer options on what safety and environmental precautions are necessary.
If the laws on our books are inadequate to prevent such a spill, or if we did not enforce those laws, then I want to know. I want to know what worked and what didnâ€™t work in our response to the disaster, and where oversight of the oil and gas industry broke down.
Let me make one final point. More than anything else, this economic and environmental tragedy â€“- and itâ€™s a tragedy -â€“ underscores the urgent need for this nation to develop clean, renewable sources of energy. Doing so will not only reduce threats to our environment, it will create a new, homegrown, American industry that can lead to countless new businesses and new jobs.
Weâ€™ve talked about doing this for decades, and weâ€™ve made significant strides over the last year when it comes to investing in renewable energy and energy efficiency. The House of Representatives has already passed a bill that would finally jumpstart a permanent transition to a clean energy economy, and there is currently a plan in the Senate â€“- a plan that was developed with ideas from Democrats and Republicans â€“- that would achieve the same goal.
If nothing else, this disaster should serve as a wake-up call that itâ€™s time to move forward on this legislation. Itâ€™s time to accelerate the competition with countries like China, who have already realized the future lies in renewable energy. And itâ€™s time to seize that future ourselves. So I call on Democrats and Republicans in Congress, working with my administration, to answer this challenge once and for all.
I'll close by saying this: This oil spill is an unprecedented disaster. The fact that the source of the leak is a mile under the surface, where no human being can go, has made it enormously difficult to stop. But we are relying on every resource and every idea, every expert and every bit of technology, to work to stop it. We will take ideas from anywhere, but we are going to stop it.
And I know that doesnâ€™t lessen the enormous sense of anger and frustration felt by people on the Gulf and so many Americans. Every day I see this leak continue I am angry and frustrated as well. I realize that this entire response effort will continue to be filtered through the typical prism of politics, but thatâ€™s not what I care about right now. What I care about right now is the containment of this disaster and the health and safety and livelihoods of our neighbors in the Gulf Coast. And for as long as it takes, I intend to use the full force of the federal government to protect our fellow citizens and the place where they live. I can assure you of that.
All right. Iâ€™m going to take some questions. Iâ€™m going to start with Jennifer Loven.
Q Thank you, Mr. President. This is on, right?
THE PRESIDENT: Yes.
Q You just said that the federal government is in charge, and officials in your administration have said this repeatedly. Yet how do you explain that weâ€™re more than five weeks into this crisis and that BP is not always doing as youâ€™re asking, for example with the type of dispersant thatâ€™s being used? And if I might add one more; to the many people in the Gulf who, as you said, are angry and frustrated and feel somewhat abandoned, what do you say about whether your personal involvement, your personal engagement, has been as much as it should be either privately or publicly?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, Iâ€™ll take the second question first, if you donâ€™t mind. The day that the rig collapsed and fell to the bottom of the ocean, I had my team in the Oval Office that first day. Those who think that we were either slow on our response or lacked urgency donâ€™t know the facts. This has been our highest priority since this crisis occurred.
Personally, Iâ€™m briefed every day and have probably had more meetings on this issue than just about any issue since we did our Afghan review. And we understood from day one the potential enormity of this crisis and acted accordingly. So when it comes to the moment this crisis occurred, moving forward, this entire White House and this entire federal government has been singularly focused on how do we stop the leak, and how do we prevent and mitigate the damage to our coastlines.
The challenge we have is that we have not seen a leak like this before, and so people are going to be frustrated until it stops. And I understand that. And if youâ€™re living on the coast and you see this sludge coming at you, you are going to be continually upset, and from your perspective, the response is going to be continually inadequate until it actually stops. And that's entirely appropriate and understandable.
But from Thad Allen, our National Incident Coordinator, through the most junior member of the Coast Guard, or the under-under-under secretary of NOAA, or any of the agencies under my charge, they understand this is the single most important thing that we have to get right.
Now, with respect to the relationship between our government and BP, the United States government has always been in charge of making sure that the response is appropriate. BP, under the Oil Pollution Act of 1990, is considered the responsible party, which basically means theyâ€™ve got to pay for everything that's done to both stop the leak and mitigate the damage. They do so under our supervision, and any major decision that they make has to be done under the approval of Thad Allen, the National Incident Coordinator.
So this notion that somehow the federal government is sitting on the sidelines and for the three or four or five weeks weâ€™ve just been letting BP make a whole bunch of decisions is simply not true.
What is true is that when it comes to stopping the leak down below, the federal government does not possess superior technology to BP. This is something, by the way -- going back to my involvement -- two or three days after this happened, we had a meeting down in the Situation Room in which I specifically asked Bob Gates and Mike Mullen what assets do we have that could potentially help that BP or other oil companies around the world do not have. We do not have superior technology when it comes to dealing with this particular crisis.
Now, one of the legitimate questions that I think needs to be asked is should the federal government have such capacity. And that's part of what the role of the commission is going to be, is to take a look and say, do we make sure that a consortium of oil companies pay for specifically technology to deal with this kind of incident when it happens. Should that response team thatâ€™s effective be under the direct charge of the United States government or a private entity? But for now, BP has the best technology, along with the other oil companies, when it comes to actually capping the well down there.
Now, when it comes to whatâ€™s happening on the surface, weâ€™ve been much more involved in the in-situ burns, in the skimming. Those have been happening more or less under our direction, and we feel comfortable about many of the steps that have been taken.
There have been areas where there have been disagreements, and I'll give you two examples. Initially on this top kill, there were questions in terms of how effective it could be, but also what were the risks involved, because weâ€™re operating at such a pressurized level, a mile underwater and in such frigid temperatures, that the reactions of various compounds and various approaches had to be calibrated very carefully. Thatâ€™s when I sent Steven Chu down, the Secretary of Energy, and he brought together a team, basically a brain trust, of some of the smartest folks we have at the National Labs and in academia to essentially serve as a oversight board with BP engineers and scientists in making calculations about how much mud could you pour down, how fast, without risking potentially the whole thing blowing.
So in that situation youâ€™ve got the federal government directly overseeing what BP is doing, and Thad Allen is giving authorization when finally we feel comfortable that the risks of attempting a top kill, for example, are sufficiently reduced that it needs to be tried.
I already mentioned a second example, which is they wanted to drill one relief well. The experience has been that when you drill one relief well, potentially you keep on missing the mark. And so itâ€™s important to have two to maximize the speed and effectiveness of a relief well.
And right now Thad Allen is down there, because I think he -- itâ€™s his view that some of the allocation of boom or other efforts to protect shorelines hasnâ€™t been as nimble as it needs to be. And he said so publicly. And so he will be making sure that, in fact, the resources to protect the shorelines are there immediately.
But hereâ€™s the broad point: There has never been a point during this crisis in which this administration, up and down up the line, in all these agencies, hasnâ€™t, number one, understood this was my top priority -- getting this stopped and then mitigating the damage; and number two, understanding that if BP wasnâ€™t doing what our best options were, we were fully empowered and instruct them, to tell them to do something different.
And so if you take a look at whatâ€™s transpired over the last four to five weeks, there may be areas where there have been disagreements, for example, on dispersants, and these are complicated issues. But overall, the decisions that have been made have been reflective of the best science that weâ€™ve got, the best expert opinion that we have, and have been weighing various risks and various options to allocate our resources in such a way that we can get this fixed as quickly as possible.
Q Thanks, Mr. President. You say that everything that could be done is being done, but there are those in the region and those industry experts who say thatâ€™s not true. Governor Jindal obviously had this proposal for a barrier. They say that if that had been approved when they first asked for it, they would have 10 miles up already. There are fishermen down there who want to work, who want to help, havenâ€™t been trained, havenâ€™t been told to go do so. There are industry experts who say that theyâ€™re surprised that tankers havenâ€™t been sent out there to vacuum, as was done in â€™93 outside Saudi Arabia. And then, of course, thereâ€™s the fact that there are 17 countries that have offered to help and itâ€™s only been accepted from two countries, Norway and Mexico. How can you say that everything that can be done is being done with all these experts and all these officials saying thatâ€™s not true?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, let me distinguish between -- if the question is, Jake, are we doing everything perfectly out there, then the answer is absolutely not. We can always do better. If the question is, are we, each time there is an idea, evaluating it and making a decision, is this the best option that we have right now, based on how quickly we can stop this leak and how much damage can we mitigate -- then the answer is yes.
So letâ€™s take the example of Governor Jindalâ€™s barrier islands idea. When I met with him when I was down there two weeks ago, I said I will make sure that our team immediately reviews this idea, that the Army Corps of Engineers is looking at the feasibility of it, and if they think -- if they tell me that this is the best approach to dealing with this problem, then weâ€™re going to move quickly to execute it. If they have a disagreement with Governor Jindalâ€™s experts as to whether this would be effective or not, whether it was going to be cost-effective, given the other things that need to be done, then weâ€™ll sit down and try to figure that out.
And that essentially is what happened, which is why today you saw an announcement where, from the Army Corpsâ€™ perspective, there were some areas where this might work, but there are some areas where it would be counter-productive and not a good use of resources.
So the point is, on each of these points that you just mentioned, the job of our response team is to say, okay, if 17 countries have offered equipment and help, letâ€™s evaluate what theyâ€™ve offered: How fast can it get here? Is it actually going to be redundant, or will it actually add to the overall effort -- because in some cases, more may not actually be better. And decisions have been made based on the best information available that says hereâ€™s what we need right now. It may be that a week from now or two weeks from now or a month from now the offers from some of those countries might be more effectively utilized.
Now, itâ€™s going to be entirely possible in a operation this large that mistakes are made, judgments prove to be wrong; that people say in retrospect, you know, if we could have done that or we did that, this might have turned out differently -- although in a lot of cases it may be speculation. But the point that I was addressing from Jennifer was, does this administration maintain a constant sense of urgency about this, and are we examining every recommendation, every idea that's out there, and making our best judgment as to whether these are the right steps to take, based on the best experts that we know of. And on that answer, the answer is yes -- or on that question, the answer is yes.
Q I just want to follow up on the question as it has to do with the relationship between the government and BP. It seems that youâ€™ve made the case on the technical issues. But onshore, Admiral Allen admitted the other day in a White House briefing that they needed to be pushed harder. Senator Mary Landrieu this morning said itâ€™s not clear whoâ€™s in charge, that the government should be in charge. Why not ask BP to simply step aside on the onshore stuff, make it an entirely government thing? Obviously BP pays for it, but why not ask them to just completely step aside on that front?
And then also, can you respond to all the Katrina comparisons that people are making about this with yourself?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, Iâ€™ll take your second question first. Iâ€™ll leave it to you guys to make those comparisons, and make judgments on it, because what Iâ€™m spending my time thinking about is how do we solve the problem. And when the problem is solved and people look back and do an assessment of all the various decisions that were made, I think people can make a historical judgment. And Iâ€™m confident that people are going to look back and say that this administration was on top of what was an unprecedented crisis.
In terms of shoreline protection, the way this thing has been set up under the oil spill act of 1990 -- Oil Pollution Act -- is that BP has contracts with a whole bunch of contractors on file in the event that there is an oil spill, and as soon as the Deep Horizon well went down, then their job is to activate those and start paying them. So a big chunk of the 20,000 who are already down there are being paid by BP.
The Coast Guardâ€™s job is to approve and authorize whatever BP is doing. Now, what Admiral Allen said today, and the reason heâ€™s down there today, is that if BPâ€™s contractors are not moving as nimbly and as effectively as they need to be, then it is already the power of the federal government to redirect those resources. I guess the point being that the Coast Guard and our military are potentially already in charge as long as weâ€™ve got good information and we are making the right decisions.
And if there are mistakes that are being made right now, weâ€™ve got the power to correct those decisions. We donâ€™t have to necessarily reconfigure the setup down there. What we do have to make sure of is, is that on each and every one of the decisions that are being made about what beaches to protect, whatâ€™s going to happen with these marshes, if we build a barrier island, how is this going to have an impact on the ecology of the area over the long term -- in each of those decisions, weâ€™ve got to get it right.
Q You understand the credibility of BP seems to be so bad -- that thereâ€™s almost no trust that theyâ€™re getting --
THE PRESIDENT: I understand. And part of the purpose of this press conference is to explain to the folks down in the Gulf that ultimately it is our folks down there who are responsible. If theyâ€™re not satisfied with something thatâ€™s happening, then they need to let us know and we will immediately question BP and ask them why isnâ€™t X, Y, Z happening. And those skimmers, those boats, that boom, the people who are out there collecting some of the oil thatâ€™s already hit shore, they can be moved and redirected at any point.
And so, understandably, people are frustrated, because, look, this is a big mess coming to shore and even if weâ€™ve got a perfect organizational structure, spots are going to be missed, oil is going to go to places that maybe somebody thinks it could have been prevented from going. There is going to be damage that is heartbreaking to see. Peopleâ€™s livelihoods are going to be affected in painful ways. The best thing for us to do is to make sure that every decision about how weâ€™re allocating the resources that weâ€™ve got is being made based on the best expert advice thatâ€™s available.
So Iâ€™ll take one last stab at this, Chuck. The problem I donâ€™t think is that BP is off running around doing whatever it wants and nobody is minding the store. Inevitably in something this big, there are going to be places where things fall short. But I want everybody to understand today that our teams are authorized to direct BP in the same way that theyâ€™d be authorized to direct those same teams if they were technically being paid by the federal government. In either circumstance, weâ€™ve got the authority that we need. We just got to make sure that weâ€™re exercising it effectively.
All right, Steve Thomma.
Q Thank you, sir. On April 21st, Admiral Allen tells us the government started dispatching equipment rapidly to the Gulf, and you just said on day one you recognized the enormity of this situation. Yet here we are 39, 40 days later, youâ€™re still having to rush more equipment, more boom. There are still areas of the coast unprotected. Why is it taking so long? And did you really act from day one for a worst-case scenario?
THE PRESIDENT: We did. Part of the problem youâ€™ve got is -- letâ€™s take the example of boom. The way the plans have been developed -- and Iâ€™m not an expert on this, but this is as itâ€™s been explained to me -- pre-deploying boom would have been the right thing to do; making sure that there is boom right there in the region at various spots where you could anticipate, if there was a spill of this size, the boom would be right there ready to grab.
Unfortunately, that wasnâ€™t always the case. And so this goes back to something that Jake asked earlier. When it comes to the response since the crisis happened, I am very confident that the federal government has acted consistently with a sense of urgency.
When it comes to prior to this accident happening, I think there was a lack of anticipating what the worst-case scenarios would be. And that's a problem. And part of that problem was lodged in MMS and the way that that agency was structured. That was the agency in charge of providing permitting and making decisions in terms of where drilling could take place, but also in charge of enforcing the safety provisions. And as I indicated before, the IG report, the Inspecter Generalâ€™s report that came out, was scathing in terms of the problems there.
And when Ken Salazar came in, he cleaned a lot of that up. But more needed to be done, and more needs to be done, which is part of the reason why he separated out the permitting function from the functions that involve enforcing the various safety regulations.
But I think on a whole bunch of fronts, you had a complacency when it came to what happens in the worst-case scenario.
I'll give you another example, because this is something that some of you have written about -- the question of how is it that oil companies kept on getting environmental waivers in getting their permits approved. Well, it turns out that the way the process works, first of all, there is a thorough environmental review as to whether a certain portion of the Gulf should be leased or not. Thatâ€™s a thorough-going environmental evaluation. Then the overall lease is broken up into segments for individual leases, and again thereâ€™s an environmental review thatâ€™s done.
But when it comes to a specific company with its exploration plan in that one particular area -- theyâ€™re going to drill right here in this spot -- Congress mandated that only 30 days could be allocated before a yes or no answer was given. That was by law. So MMSâ€™s hands were tied. And as a consequence, what became the habit, predating my administration, was you just automatically gave the environmental waiver, because you couldnâ€™t complete an environmental study in 30 days.
So what youâ€™ve got is a whole bunch of aspects to how oversight was exercised in deepwater drilling that were very problematic. And thatâ€™s why itâ€™s so important that this commission moves forward and examines, from soup to nuts, why did this happen; how should this proceed in a safe, effective manner; whatâ€™s required when it comes to worst-case scenarios to prevent something like this from happening.
I continue to believe that oil production is important, domestic oil production is important. But I also believe we canâ€™t do this stuff if we donâ€™t have confidence that we can prevent crises like this from happening again. And itâ€™s going to take some time for the experts to make those determinations. And as I said, in the meantime, I think itâ€™s appropriate that we keep in place the moratorium that Iâ€™ve already issued.
Q Thank you, Mr. President. First of all, Elizabeth Birnbaum resigned today. Did she resign? Was she fired? Was she forced out? And if so, why? And should other heads roll as we go on here?
Secondly, with regard to the Minerals Management Service, Secretary Salazar yesterday basically blamed the Bush administration for the cozy relationship there, and you seemed to suggest that when you spoke in the Rose Garden a few weeks ago when you said, for too long, a decade or more -- most of those years, of course, the Bush administration -- thereâ€™s been a cozy relationship between the oil companies and the federal agency that permits them to drill. But you knew as soon as you came in, and Secretary Salazar did, about this cozy relationship, but you continued to give permits -- some of them under questionable circumstances. Is it fair to blame the Bush administration? Don't you deserve some of that?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, let me just make the point that I made earlier, which is Salazar came in and started cleaning house, but the culture had not fully changed in MMS. And absolutely I take responsibility for that. There wasnâ€™t sufficient urgency in terms of the pace of how those changes needed to take place.
Thereâ€™s no evidence that some of the corrupt practices that had taken place earlier took place under the current administrationâ€™s watch. But a culture in which oil companies were able to get what they wanted without sufficient oversight and regulation -- that was a real problem. Some of it was constraints of the law, as I just mentioned, but we should have busted through those constraints.
Now, with respect to Ms. Birnbaum, I found out about her resignation today. Ken Salazar has been in testimony throughout the day, so I donâ€™t know the circumstances in which this occurred. I can tell you what Iâ€™ve said to Ken Salazar, which is that we have to make sure, if we are going forward with domestic oil production, that the federal agency charged with overseeing its safety and security is operating at the highest level. And I want people in there who are operating at the highest level and arenâ€™t making excuses when things break down, but are intent on fixing them. And I have confidence that Ken Salazar can do that.
Q Is his job safe?
THE PRESIDENT: Yes.
Q Thank you, Mr. President. Weâ€™re learning today that the oil has been gushing as much as five times the initial estimates. What does that tell you and the American people about the extent to which BP can be trusted on any of the information that itâ€™s providing, whether the events leading up to the spill, any of their information?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, BPâ€™s interests are aligned with the public interest to the extent that they want to get this well capped. Itâ€™s bad for their business. Itâ€™s bad for their bottom line. Theyâ€™re going to be paying a lot of damages, and weâ€™ll be staying on them about that. So I think itâ€™s fair to say that they want this thing capped as badly as anybody does and they want to minimize the damage as much as they can.
I think it is a legitimate concern to question whether BPâ€™s interests in being fully forthcoming about the extent of the damage is aligned with the public interest. I mean, their interests may be to minimize the damage, and to the extent that they have better information than anybody else, to not be fully forthcoming. So my attitude is we have to verify whatever it is they say about the damage.
This is an area, by the way, where I do think our efforts fell short. And Iâ€™m not contradicting my prior point that people were working as hard as they could and doing the best that they could on this front. But I do believe that when the initial estimates came that there were -- it was 5,000 barrels spilling into the ocean per day, that was based on satellite imagery and satellite data that would give a rough calculation. At that point, BP already had a camera down there, but wasnâ€™t fully forthcoming in terms of what did those pictures look like. And when you set it up in time-lapse photography, experts could then make a more accurate determination. The administration pushed them to release it, but they should have pushed them sooner. I mean, I think that it took too long for us to stand up our flow-tracking group that has now made these more accurate ranges of calculation.
Now, keep in mind that that didnâ€™t change what our response was. As I said from the start, we understood that this could be really bad. We are hoping for the best, but preparing for the worst. And so there arenâ€™t steps that would have taken in terms of trying to cap the well, or skimming the surface, or the in-situ burns, or preparing to make sure when this stuff hit shore that we could minimize the damage -- all those steps would have been the same even if we had information that this flow was coming out faster.
And eventually, we would have gotten better information because, by law, the federal government, if itâ€™s going to be charging BP for the damage that it causes, is going to have to do the best possible assessment. But there was a lag of several weeks that I think shouldnâ€™t have happened.
Q Mr. President, when are you going to get out of Afghanistan? Why are we continuing to kill and die there? What is the real excuse? And don't give us this Bushism, â€śif we don't go there, theyâ€™ll all come here.â€ť
THE PRESIDENT: Well, Helen, the reason we originally went to Afghanistan was because that was the base from which attacks were launched that killed 3,000 people -- Iâ€™m going to get to your question, I promise. But I just want to remind people we went there because the Taliban was harboring al Qaeda, which had launched an attack that killed 3,000 Americans.
Al Qaeda escaped capture and they set up in the border regions between Pakistan and Afghanistan. Al Qaeda has affiliates that not only provide them safe harbor, but increasingly are willing to conduct their own terrorist operations initially in Afghanistan and in Pakistan, but increasingly directed against Western targets and targets of our allies as well.
So it is absolutely critical that we dismantle that network of extremists that are willing to attack us. And they are currently --
Q -- a threat to us?
THE PRESIDENT: They absolutely are a threat to us. Theyâ€™re a significant threat to us. I wouldnâ€™t be deploying young men and women into harmâ€™s way if I didnâ€™t think that they were an absolute threat to us.
Now, General McChrystalâ€™s strategy, which I think is the right one, is that we are going to clear out Taliban strongholds; we are going to strengthen the capacity of the Afghan military; and we are going to get them stood up in a way that allows us then to start drawing down our troops but continuing to provide support for Afghan in its effort to create a stable government.
It is a difficult process. At the same time, weâ€™ve also got to work with Pakistan so that they are more effective partners in dealing with the extremists that are within their borders. And it is a big, messy process. But we are making progress in part because the young men and women under General McChrystalâ€™s supervision, as well as our coalition partners, are making enormous sacrifices; but also on the civilian side, weâ€™re starting to make progress in terms of building capacity that will allow us then to draw down with an effective partner.
Jackie Calmes, New York Times.
Q Thank you, Mr. President. I want to follow up on something -- exchange you had with Chip. Leaving aside the existing permits for drilling in the Gulf, before -- weeks before BP, you had called for expanded drilling. Do you now regret that decision? And why did you do so knowing what you have described today about the sort of dysfunction in the MMS?
THE PRESIDENT: I continue to believe what I said at that time, which was that domestic oil production is an important part of our overall energy mix. It has to be part of an overall energy strategy. I also believe that it is insufficient to meet the needs of our future, which is why Iâ€™ve made huge investments in clean energy, why we continue to promote solar and wind and biodiesel and a whole range of other approaches, why weâ€™re putting so much emphasis on energy efficiency.
But weâ€™re not going to be able to transition to these clean energy strategies right away. I mean, weâ€™re still years off and some technological breakthroughs away from being able to operate on purely a clean energy grid. During that time, weâ€™re going to be using oil. And to the extent that weâ€™re using oil, it makes sense for us to develop our oil and natural gas resources here in the United States and not simply rely on imports. Thatâ€™s important for our economy; thatâ€™s important for economic growth.
So the overall framework, which is to say domestic oil production should be part of our overall energy mix, I think continues to be the right one. Where I was wrong was in my belief that the oil companies had their act together when it came to worst-case scenarios.
Now, that wasnâ€™t based on just my blind acceptance of their statements. Oil drilling has been going on in the Gulf, including deepwater, for quite some time. And the record of accidents like this we hadnâ€™t seen before. But it just takes one for us to have a wake-up call and recognize that claims that fail-safe procedures were in place, or that blowout preventers would function properly, or that valves would switch on and shut things off, that -- whether itâ€™s because of human error, because of the technology was faulty, because when youâ€™re operating at these depths you canâ€™t anticipate exactly what happens -- those assumptions proved to be incorrect.
And so Iâ€™m absolutely convinced that we have to do a thorough-going scrub of that -- those safety procedures and those safety records. And we have to have confidence that even if itâ€™s just a one-in-a-million shot, that weâ€™ve got enough technology know-how that we can shut something like this down not in a month, not in six weeks, but in two or three or four days. And I donâ€™t have that confidence right now.
Q If I could follow up --
THE PRESIDENT: Sure.
Q Do you -- are you sorry now? Do you regret that your team had not done the reforms at the Minerals Management Service that youâ€™ve subsequently called for? And Iâ€™m also curious as to how it is that you didnâ€™t know about Ms. Birnbaumâ€™s resignation/firing before --
THE PRESIDENT: Well, youâ€™re assuming it was a firing. If it was a resignation, then she would have submitted a letter to Mr. Salazar this morning, at a time when I had a whole bunch of other stuff going on.
Q So you rule out that she was fired?
THE PRESIDENT: Come on, Jackie, I donâ€™t know. Iâ€™m telling you the -- I found out about it this morning, so I donâ€™t yet know the circumstances, and Ken Salazar has been in testimony on the Hill.
With respect to your first question, at MMS, Ken Salazar was in the process of making these reforms. But the point that Iâ€™m making is, is that obviously they werenâ€™t happening fast enough. If they had been happening fast enough, this might have been caught. Now, itâ€™s possible that it might now have been caught. I mean, we could have gone through a whole new process for environmental review; you could have had a bunch of technical folks take a look at BPâ€™s plans, and they might have said, this is -- meets industry standards, we havenâ€™t had an accident like this in 15 years and we should go ahead.
Thatâ€™s what this commission has to discover, is -- was this a systemic breakdown? Is this something that could happen once in a million times? Is it something that could happen once in a thousand times, or once every 5,000 times? What exactly are the risks involved?
Now, let me make one broader point, though, about energy. The fact that oil companies now have to go a mile underwater and then drill another three miles below that in order to hit oil tells us something about the direction of the oil industry. Extraction is more expensive and it is going to be inherently more risky.
And so thatâ€™s part of the reason you never heard me say, â€śDrill, baby, drillâ€ť -- because we canâ€™t drill our way out of the problem. It may be part of the mix as a bridge to a transition to new technologies and new energy sources, but we should be pretty modest in understanding that the easily accessible oil has already been sucked up out of the ground.
And as we are moving forward, the technology gets more complicated, the oil sources are more remote, and that means that thereâ€™s probably going to end up being more risk. And we as a society are going to have to make some very serious determinations in terms of what risks are we willing to accept. And thatâ€™s part of what the commission I think is going to have to look at.
I will tell you, though, that understanding we need to grow -- weâ€™re going to be consuming oil for our industries and for how people live in this country, weâ€™re going to have to start moving on this transition. And thatâ€™s why when I went to the Republican Caucus just this week, I said to them, letâ€™s work together. Youâ€™ve got Lieberman and Kerry, who previously were working with Lindsey Graham -- even though Lindsey is not on the bill right now -- coming up with a framework that has the potential to get bipartisan support, and says, yes, weâ€™re going to still need oil production, but you know what, we can see whatâ€™s out there on the horizon, and itâ€™s a problem if we don't start changing how we operate.
Macarena Vidal. Not here? Oh, there you are.
Q Mr. President, you announced -- or the White House announced two days ago that you were going to send 1,200 people to -- 1,200 members of the National Guard to the border. I want to -- if you could precise what their target is going to be, what youâ€™re planning to achieve with that -- if you could clarify a bit more the mission that they're going to have.
And also on Arizona, after you have criticized so much the immigration law that has been approved there, would you support the boycott that some organizations are calling towards that state?
THE PRESIDENT: Iâ€™ve indicated that I don't approve of the Arizona law. I think itâ€™s the wrong approach. I understand the frustrations of the people of Arizona and a lot of folks along the border that that border has not been entirely secured in a way that is both true to our traditions as a nation of law and as a nation of immigrants.
Iâ€™m President of the United States; I don't endorse boycotts or not endorse boycotts. That's something that the private citizens can make a decision about. What my administration is doing is examining very closely this Arizona law and its implications for the civil rights and civil liberties for the people in Arizona, as well as the concern that you start getting a patchwork of 50 different immigration laws around the country in an area that is inherently the job of the federal government.
Now, for the federal government to do its job, everybody has got to step up. And so Iâ€™ve tried to be as clear as I could this week, and I will repeat it to everybody whoâ€™s here: We have to have a comprehensive approach to immigration reform. The time to get moving on this is now. And I am prepared to work with both parties and members of Congress to get a bill that does a good job securing our borders; holds employers accountable; makes sure that those who have come here illegally have to pay a fine, pay back taxes, learn English, and get right by the law.
We had the opportunity to do that. Weâ€™ve done -- weâ€™ve gotten a vote of a super majority in the Senate just four years ago. Thereâ€™s no reason why we shouldnâ€™t be able to recreate that bipartisan spirit to get this problem solved.
Now, with respect to the National Guardsmen and women, I have authorized up to 1,200 National Guardspersons in a plan that was actually shaped last year. So this is not simply in response to the Arizona law. And what we find is, is that National Guardspersons can help on intelligence; dealing with both drug and human trafficking along the borders; they can relieve border guards so that the border guards then can be in charge of law enforcement in those areas. So there are a lot of functions that they can carry out that helps leverage and increase the resources available in this area.
By the way, we didnâ€™t just send National Guard. Weâ€™ve also got a package of $500 million in additional resources, because, for example, if we are doing a better job dealing with trafficking along the border, weâ€™ve also got to make sure that weâ€™ve got prosecutors down there who can prosecute those cases.
But the key point I want to emphasize to you is that I donâ€™t see these issues in isolation. Weâ€™re not going to solve the problem just solely as a consequence of sending National Guard troops down there. Weâ€™re going to solve this problem because we have created an orderly, fair, humane immigration framework in which people are able to immigrate to this country in a legal fashion; employers are held accountable for hiring legally present workers.
And I think we can craft that system if everybody is willing to step up. And I told the Republican Caucus when I met with them this week, I donâ€™t even need you to meet me halfway; meet me a quarter of the way. Iâ€™ll bring the majority of Democrats to a smart, sensible, comprehensive immigration reform bill. But Iâ€™m going to have to have some help, given the rules of the Senate, where a simple majority is not enough.
Last question, Major.
Q Thank you, Mr. President. Good afternoon.
THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon.
Q Two issues. Some in your government have said the federal governmentâ€™s boot is on the neck of BP. Are you comfortable with that imagery, sir? Is your boot on the neck of BP? And can you understand, sir, why some in the Gulf who feel besieged by this oil spill consider that a meaningless, possibly ludicrous, metaphor?
Secondarily, can you tell the American public, sir, what your White House did or did not offer Congressman Sestak to not enter the Democratic senatorial primary? And how will you meet your levels of expressed transparency and ethics to convey that answer to satisfy what appear to be bipartisan calls for greater disclosure about that matter? Thank you.
THE PRESIDENT: There will be an official response shortly on the Sestak issue, which I hope will answer your questions.
Q From you, sir?
THE PRESIDENT: You will get it from my administration. And it will be coming out -- when I say â€śshortly,â€ť I mean shortly. I donâ€™t mean weeks or months. With respect to the first --
Q Can you assure the public it was ethical and legal, sir?
THE PRESIDENT: I can assure the public that nothing improper took place. But, as I said, there will be a response shortly on that issue.
With respect to the metaphor that was used, I think Ken Salazar would probably be the first one to admit that he has been frustrated, angry, and occasionally emotional about this issue, like a lot of people have. I mean, there are a lot of folks out there who see whatâ€™s happening and are angry at BP, are frustrated that it hasnâ€™t stopped. And so Iâ€™ll let Ken answer for himself. I would say that we donâ€™t need to use language like that; what we need is actions that make sure that BP is being held accountable. And thatâ€™s what I intend to do, and I think thatâ€™s what Ken Salazar intends to do.
But, look, weâ€™ve gone through a difficult year and a half. This is just one more bit of difficulty. And this is going to be hard not just right now, itâ€™s going to be hard for months to come. The Gulf --
Q This --
THE PRESIDENT: This spill. The Gulf is going to be affected in a bad way. And so my job right now is just to make sure that everybody in the Gulf understands this is what I wake up to in the morning and this is what I go to bed at night thinking about.
Q The spill?
THE PRESIDENT: The spill. And itâ€™s not just me, by the way. When I woke this morning and Iâ€™m shaving and Malia knocks on my bathroom door and she peeks in her head and she says, â€śDid you plug the hole yet, Daddy?â€ť Because I think everybody understands that when we are fouling the Earth like this, it has concrete implications not just for this generation, but for future generations.
I grew up in Hawaii where the ocean is sacred. And when you see birds flying around with oil all over their feathers and turtles dying, that doesnâ€™t just speak to the immediate economic consequences of this; this speaks to how are we caring for this incredible bounty that we have.
And so sometimes when I hear folks down in Louisiana expressing frustrations, I may not always think that they're comments are fair; on the other hand, I probably think to myself, these are folks who grew up fishing in these wetlands and seeing this as an integral part of who they are -- and to see that messed up in this fashion would be infuriating.
So the thing that the American people need to understand is that not a day goes by where the federal government is not constantly thinking about how do we make sure that we minimize the damage on this, we close this thing down, we review what happened to make sure that it does not happen again. And in that sense, there are analogies to whatâ€™s been happening in terms of in the financial markets and some of these other areas where big crises happen -- it forces us to do some soul searching. And I think thatâ€™s important for all of us to do.
In the meantime, my job is to get this fixed. And in case anybody wonders -- in any of your reporting, in case you were wondering whoâ€™s responsible, I take responsibility. It is my job to make sure that everything is done to shut this down. That doesnâ€™t mean itâ€™s going to be easy. It doesnâ€™t mean itâ€™s going to happen right away or the way Iâ€™d like it to happen. It doesnâ€™t mean that weâ€™re not going to make mistakes. But there shouldnâ€™t be any confusion here: The federal government is fully engaged, and Iâ€™m fully engaged.
All right. Thank you very much, everybody.