Defense and Security

Nonproliferation, Arms Control, and Disarmament

  • Nonproliferation, Arms Control, and Disarmament
    C. Peter McColough Roundtable Series on International Economics: The Non-Use of Nuclear Weapons - Prospects for Continuance
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    The C. Peter McColough Roundtable Series on International Economics is presented by the Corporate Program and the Maurice R. Greenberg Center for Geoeconomic Studies. 5:30-6:00 p.m. Reception6:00-7:00 p.m. Meeting7:00-8:00 p.m. Cocktail Reception
  • Nonproliferation, Arms Control, and Disarmament
    The Limitations of the Current U.S. Government Efforts to Secure the Global Supply Chain against Terrorists Smuggling a WMD and a Proposed Way Forward
    Written Testimony before a hearing of the  Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs United States Senate on “Neutralizing the Nuclear and Radiological Threat: Securing the Global Supply Chain” By Stephen E. Flynn, Ph.D. Commander, U.S. Coast Guard (ret.) Jeane J. Kirkpatrick Senior Fellow in National Security Studies Council on Foreign Relations Washington, D.C. Chairman Coleman, Senator Levin, and distinguished members of the Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations.  I am honored to appear before you again this morning, this time alongside Governor Tom Kean, to discuss the vital issue of nuclear smuggling and supply chain security.  At the outset, Mr. Chairman, I want to thank you for the outstanding leadership you have been providing in both raising the profile and advancing practical approaches to this complex challenge.  You have been hard at work on this issue long before the Dubai Ports World controversy made the issue of port and container security a hot-button issue here in Washington.  I also want to commend the work of Ray Shepherd and Brian White of your staff for their tireless oversight of the activities of the U.S. government on these issues.  I would count Mr. Shepherd and Mr. White along with Kathleen Kraninger and Jason Yanussi who are on the staff of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs committee, as four of the most knowledgeable individuals on supply chain and container security in Washington. As I will outline below, the Government Accountability Office is largely on the mark in highlighting a number of serious shortcomings in the design and execution of the radiation detection programs being pursued by the Department of Energy and the Department of Homeland Security.  However, before getting into the particulars about what are the limits of these programs and outlining some recommendations for next steps, I think it important to review the nature of the terrorist threat as it relates to this issue. Let me share with you the terrorist scenario that most keeps me awake at night that I recently shared with the House Armed Services Committee.  This scenario has been informed by insights provided to me by Gary Gilbert, the Chairman of the Corporate Security Council and Senior Vice President for Hutchison Port Holdings (HPH) who will be testifying before you on Thursday, March 30th.  A container of athletic foot wear for a name brand company is loaded at a manufacturing plant in Surabaya, Indonesia.  The container doors are shut and a mechanical seal is put into the door pad-eyes.  These designer sneakers are destined for retail stores in malls across America.  The container and seal numbers are recorded at the factory. A local truck driver, sympathetic to al Qaeda picks up the container.  On the way to the port, he turns into an alleyway and backs up the truck at a nondescript warehouse where a small team of operatives pry loose one of the door hinges to open the container so that they can gain access to the shipment.  Some of the sneakers are removed and in their place, the operatives load a dirty bomb wrapped in lead shielding, and they then refasten the door.  The driver takes the container now loaded with a dirty bomb to the port of Surabaya where it is loaded on a coastal feeder ship carrying about 300 containers for the voyage to Jakarta.  In Jakarta, the container is transferred to an Inter-Asia ship which typically carry 1200-1500 containers to the port of Singapore or the Port of Hong Kong.   In this case, the ships goes to Hong Kong where it is loaded on a super-container ship that carriers 5000-8000 containers for the trans-Pacific voyage.  The container is then off-loaded in Vancouver, British Columbia.  Because it originates from a trusted-name brand company that has joined the Customs-Trade Partnership Against Terror, the shipment is never identified for inspection by the Container Security Initiative team of U.S. customs inspectors located in Vancouver.  Consequently, the container is loaded directly from the ship to a Canadian Pacific railcar where it is shipped to a rail yard in Chicago.  Because the dirty bomb is shielded in lead, the radiation portals currently deployed along the U.S.-Canadian border do not detect it.  When the container reaches a distribution center in the Chicago-area, a triggering device attached to the door sets the bomb off. There would be four immediate consequence associated with this attack.  First, there would be the local deaths and injuries associate with the blast of the conventional explosives.  Second, there would be the environmental damage done by the spread of industrial-grade radioactive material.  Third, there would  be no way to determine where the compromise  to security took place so the entire supply chain and all the transportation nodes and providers must be presumed to present a risk of a potential follow-on attack.  Fourth—and perhaps most importantly—all the current container and port security initiatives would be compromised by the incident.  In this scenario, the container originated from a one of the 5,800 companies that now belong to the Customs-Trade Partnership Against Terrorism. It would have transited through multiple ports—Surabaya, Jakarta, Hong Kong, and Vancouver—that have been certified by their host nation as compliant with the post-9/11 International Ship and Port Facility Security (ISPS) Code that came into effect on 1 July 2004.  Because it came from a trusted shipper, it would not have been identified for special screening by the Container Security Initiative team of inspectors in Hong Kong or Vancouver.  Nor would it have been identified by the radiation portal.  As a consequence, governors, mayors, and the American people would have no faith in the entire risk-management regime erected by the administration since 9/11.  There will be overwhelming political pressure to move from a 5 percent physical inspection rate to a 100 percent inspection rate, effectively shutting down the flow of commerce at and within our borders.  Within two weeks, the reverberations would be global.   As John Meredith, the Group Managing Director of Hutchison Port Holdings, warned in a Jan 20, 2004 letter to Robert Bonner, the former Commissioner of the U.S. Customs and Border Protection: “. . . I think the economic consequences could well spawn a global recession – or worse.”  In short the stakes are enormous.  But there are four factors associated with the scenario that I just laid out that usefully informs the focus of this hearing.  First, the threat is not so much tied to seaports and U.S. borders as it is global supply chains that now largely operate on an honor system because the standards are so nominal.  Second, no transportation provider, port operator, or border inspector really know what are in the containers that pass through their facilities and the radiation portal technology currently being deployed at U.S. borders and as a part of the Second Line of Defense and Megaports programs can be evaded by placing light shielding around a weapon.  Third, private companies must be a part of the solution since they have huge investments at stakes.  Fourth, the scenario I just laid out involved Vancouver as the offload port in North America, highlighting that the challenge of securing global supply chains can involve both port security and border security measures simultaneously. I believe that we are living on borrowed time when it comes to facing some variation of the scenario I have just laid out.  This is because both the opportunity for terrorists to target legitimate global supply chains remain plentiful and the motivation for doing so is only growing as jihadis gravitate towards economic disruption as a major tactic in their war with the United States and the West.   Let me elaborate on this latter point.  The primary conclusion that I reached in researching my book, America the Vulnerable, is that Americans and the West much assume that our most critical infrastructures that underpin our economy will become the targets of choice for terrorist groups like al-Qaeda.  This perspective runs contrary to the longstanding view of terrorism that has held that terrorists are mainly interested in symbolic and spectacular acts of violence that kill lots of people.  I point to the attacks on the London public transit system on July 7, 2005, to substantiate my thesis.  On that day, suicide bombers simultaneously set off their explosives in subway cars that were in dark tunnels resulting in far fewer deaths than had those same suicide bombers gone to Buckingham palace during the changing of the guard.  Further, an attack on a public event would have generated far more dramatic images since there would have been plenty of cameras on hand to capture the destruction and resultant mayhem.  But the goal of the London terrorists appears to have been not so much about random killings of innocent civilians as it was an attempt to dissuade Londoners from using their mass transit system, thereby crippling the city economically. This trend towards economic targeting has been growing in Iraq as well. Beginning in June 2003, Iraq’s energy sector became a primary target for insurgents.  By mid-July 2005 nearly 250 attacks on oil and gas pipelines had cost Iraq more than $10 billion in loss oil revenue.  Successful attacks on the electrical grid has kept average daily output at 5 to 10 percent below the prewar level despite the $1.2 billion the United States has spent too improve Iraqi electrical production.  To be sure, there is amble evidence that the war in Iraq has been attracting foreign insurgents and al Qaeda sympathizers to Baghdad versus to Main Street.  However, this is likely to prove to be a short-term reprieve that poses a longer-term danger as insurgents become increasingly skilled at targeting critical infrastructure.  Against this strategic backdrop, I believe there remains too little appreciation within the U.S. government that global supply chains and the intermodal transportation system that supports them remains a very vulnerable critical infrastructure to mass disruption.  Instead, U.S. border agencies and the national security community have been looking at supply chains as one of a menu of smuggling venues.  Some agencies like the Coast Guard and the Office of Naval Intelligence has argued that a weapon of mass destruction is more likely to be smuggled into the United States on a fishing vessel, ocean-going yacht, or a bulk cargo vessel, rather than in a container.  This is probably an accurate assumption in the case of a nuclear weapon.  A nuclear weapon would be such a high-value asset to a terrorist organization that they would be unlikely to surrender custody of it to unwitting third parties to transport it.  But the opposite reason applies to a “dirty bomb” which is more commonly referred to by national security experts as a “weapon of mass disruption” because its lethality is fairly limited, a factor primarily of the conventional explosives with which it is made.  The radioactive material contained in the bomb would create costly environmental damage and potentially some long term health risks for those who were exposed, but not immediate deaths.  The fact that a “dirty bomb” is suited for disruption makes it an ideal weapon to set off within the intermodal transportation system, precisely because it would generate the kinds of consequences that my scenario portends. For the foreseeable future, the material to make a dirty bomb will likely be available throughout the international community despite even stepped-up counter-proliferation.  This is because the radioactive materials that can be used in the construction of these weapons are becoming more widely available as sophisticated medical and engineering equipment are purchased and used throughout the international community.   As Gene Aloise of the Government Accountability Office will testify to in the next panel, according to the International Atomic Energy Agency, between 1993 and 2004, there were 662 confirmed cases of illicit-trafficking in nuclear and radiological materials worldwide, over 400 of which involved radioactive materials that could be used to produce a radiation dispersal device or “dirty bomb.”  These materials have been finding their ways to black markets and will continue to do so.  It is against this threat backdrop that we should evaluate the effectiveness of U.S. government programs who aim to confront this threat.  The possibility that terrorists could compromise the maritime and intermodal transportation system and global supply chains has led several U.S. agencies to pursue initiatives designed to manage this risk.  The U.S. Coast Guard chose to take primarily a multilateral approach by working through the London-based International Maritime Organization to establish new international standards for improving security practices on ocean-going vessels and within ports, called the International Ship and Port Facility Code (ISPS).  As of July 1, 2004, each member state was obliged to certify that the ships that fly their flag or the facilities under their jurisdiction are compliant.  The Coast Guard also requires that ships destined for the United States provide a notice of their arrival a minimum of 96 hours in advance to include a description of their cargoes and a crew and passenger list.  The agency then assesses the potential risk the vessel might pose and if the available intelligence indicates a pre-arrival boarding might be warranted, it arranges to intercept the ship at sea or as it enters the harbor in order to conduct an inspection. The U.S. Customs and Border Protection Agency (CBP) has pursued a mix of unilateral, bilateral, and multilateral approaches.  First, U.S. customs authorities mandated that ocean carriers electronically file cargo manifests outlining the contents of containers destined for the United States 24 hours in advance of their being loaded in an overseas port.   These manifests are then analyzed against the intelligence and other databases at CBP’s new National Targeting Center to determine if the container may pose a risk.  If the answer is yes, it will likely be inspected overseas before it is loaded on a U.S.-bound ship under a new protocol called the Container Security Initiative (CSI).  As of March 2006, there were 43 CSI port agreements in place where the host country permits U.S. customs inspectors to operate within its jurisdiction and agrees to conduct pre-loading inspections of any containers targeted by them.  Decisions about which containers will not be subjected to an inspection are informed by an importer’s willingness to participate in another post-9/11 initiative known as the Customs-Trade Partnership against Terrorism (C-TPAT).  C-TPAT importers and transportation companies voluntarily agree to conduct self-assessments of their company operations and supply chains and then put in place security measures to address any security vulnerabilities they find.    At the multilateral level, U.S. customs authorities have worked with the Brussels’ based World Customs Organization on establishing a new non-binding framework to improve trade security that all countries are being encouraged to adopt.  In addition to these Coast Guard and Customs initiatives, the U.S. Department of Energy, Department of State, and Department of Defense have developed their own programs aimed at the potential weapons of mass destruction threat.  They have been focused primarily on developing the means to detect and intercept a “dirty bomb” (a conventional explosive device that contains radioactive materials used in commercial applications), the fissile ingredients such as plutonium and highly-enriched uranium used in the construction of a nuclear weapon, and a nuclear weapon itself.  The Energy Department has been funding and deploying radiation sensors in many of the world’s largest ports as a part of a program called the Megaport Initiative.  These sensors are designed to detect radioactive material within containers while trucks drive past them.  The State Department is spearheading the Export Control and Related Border Security Assistance Program that includes providing equipment and training for border control agencies. Department of Defense has undertaken a “Proliferation Prevention Initiative” that involves obtaining permission from seafaring countries to allow specially trained U.S Navy boarding teams to conduct inspections of a flag vessel on the high seas when there is intelligence that points to the possibility that smuggled nuclear material or a weapon may be part of the ship’s cargo. Finally, in September 2005, the White House has weighed in directly on container security as a part of its new “National Maritime Security Strategy”. The strategy creates an interagency process to oversee the development of eight supporting plans.  These include an “International Outreach and Coordination Strategy,” a “Maritime Transportation System Security Plan,” and a “Maritime Infrastructure Recovery Plan.”  The stated objective of the strategy and these plans is to “present a comprehensive national effort to promote global economic stability and protect legitimate activities while preventing hostile or illegal acts within the maritime domain.” On its face, this vast menu of U.S. government initiatives since 9/11 suggests substantial progress is being made in securing the global trade and transportation system.  Unfortunately, all this activity should not be confused with real capability.  For one thing, the approach has been a piecemeal one, with each agency pursuing its signature program or programs with little regard for the other initiatives.  There are also vast disparities in the resources that the agencies have been allocated.  But more problematic are some of the questionable assumptions about the nature of the terrorist threat that underpin these programs.   Further, in an effort to secure funding and public support, agency heads and the White House have oversold the contributions these new initiatives are making towards addressing a very complicated and high-stake challenge.  Against a backdrop of inflated and unrealistic expectations, the public will be highly skeptical of official assurances in the aftermath of a terrorist attack involving the intermodal transportation system.  Absent change, in the scramble for fresh alternatives to reassure an anxious and angry citizenry, the White House and Congress are likely to succumb to the  political pressure to  impose draconian inspection protocols that will dramatically raise costs and the disrupt the cross-border trade flows.  The new “risk management” programs advanced by the Customs and Border Protection Agency (CBP) are especially vulnerable to being discredited should terrorist succeed at turning a container into a poor-man’s missile.  Before stepping down as Commissioner in late-November 2005, the agency’s head, Robert Bonner, maintained in public speeches and in testimony before Congress that his inspectors were: “inspect[ing] all high risk cargo containers.”  Implicit in that assertion is that Americans should be confident that the intelligence and the analytical tools that supported his agency’s targeting system could be counted upon to pinpoint the small universe of containers that might present a risk.  As such, routinely allowing 95 percent of containerized shipments to enter the United States without any physical examination should not be a source of concern. Former-Commissioner Bonner is correct in identifying that statistically, only a tiny percentage of containers pose any potential security risk.  However, the devil is in the details of how to identify just where the needles might lie within a huge haystack.  Unfortunately, CBP’s risk-management framework is not up to that task.  The fact is that there is very little counter-terrorism intelligence available to support the agency’s targeting system.  That leaves customs inspectors to rely primarily on their past experience in identifying criminal or regulatory misconduct to determine if a containerized shipment might potentially be compromised for nefarious purposes.  This should not inspire confidence given the fact that the Government Accountability Office (GAO) in testimony before the May 2005 hearings of this Committee, and the U.S. Department of Homeland Security’s own Inspector General have documented glaring weaknesses with the methodology, underlying assumptions, and execution of customs targeting practices.  Prior to 9/11, the cornerstone of the risk assessment framework used by customs inspectors was to identify “known shippers” that had an established track record of being engaged in legitimate commercial activity and playing by the rules.  Since 9/11, the agency has built on that model by extracting a commitment from shippers to follow the supply chain security practices outlined in the Customs-Trade Partnership against Terrorism (C-TPAT).  As long as there is not specific intelligence to tell inspectors otherwise, shipments from C-TPAT companies are viewed as presenting little risk. The problem with this approach is that what may have made sense for combating crime does not automatically translate to combating determined terrorists.  When it comes to warding off criminals, private companies can indeed put in place meaningful security safeguards that can deter criminals from exploiting legitimate cargo and conveyances for illicit purposes.  This is because good internal controls raise the risk over time that criminals that try and penetrate the operations of a legitimate company will be caught and their illicit enterprise will be shut down.  Organized crime groups want to maximize their profits by sustaining ongoing conspiracies.  As such they tend to gravitate towards the places where the controls are weakest, and law enforcement’s reach is only episodic.  But a terrorist attack involving a weapon of mass destruction differs in three important ways from organized criminal activity.  First, it is likely to be a one-time operation and most private company security measures are not designed to prevent single event infractions.  Instead, corporate security officers try to detect infractions when they occur, and conduct credible investigations after the fact that support imposing sanctions in order to foster a culture of compliance within the workplace.  This approach tends to work in deterring most employees from being drawn into an ongoing criminal enterprise.  However, it is not up to the task of detecting and preventing a situation where a terrorist organization seduces or intimidates an employee with a one-time offer or threat that he or she cannot refuse. Second, terrorists are likely to find it particularly attractive to target a legitimate company with a well-known brand name precisely because they can count on these shipments entering the United States with a only a cursory look or no inspection at all.  It is no secret which companies are viewed by U.S. customs inspectors as “trusted” shippers.  Many companies who have enlisted in C-TPAT have advertised their participation in press releases or with postings on their website.  In public speeches, senior U.S. customs officials have singled out several large companies by name as model participants in the program.  So all a terrorist organization need do is to find a single weak link within a “trusted” shipper’s complex supply chain, such as a poorly paid truck driver taking a container from a remote factory to a loading port.  They can then circumvent the mechanical door seal and gain access to the container in one of the half-dozen ways well-known to experienced smugglers.  Since inspectors view past performance as the primary indicator of current and future compliance, as long as the paperwork is in order, the compromised cargo container almost certainly will be cleared to enter a U.S. port without anyone ever looking at it. There is third important reason why terrorists would be more willing than criminals to exploit the supply chains of well-established companies.   By doing so, they can count on generating far greater economic disruption.  This is because once a dirty bomb arrives in the United States via a trusted shipper, the risk management system that customs authorities are relying on will come under withering scrutiny.  In the interim, it will become politically impossible to treat cross-border shipments by other trusted shippers as low risk.  When every container is assumed to be potentially high risk, everything must be examined which translates into putting the intermodal transportation system into gridlock. The International Ship and Port Facility Security (ISPS) code will only contribute to the problem of managing the aftermath of a terrorist attack involving an established importer.  This is because all containers arriving in a U.S. port today are being handled by marine terminals and are being carried aboard vessels that have been certified by their host government as compliant with the code.  There are no exceptions because if the loading facility or ship were not so certified, it would be denied permission by the U.S. Coast Guard to enter a U.S. port.  Accordingly, the credibility of the ISPS code as a risk management tool is not likely to survive the aftermath of a terrorist attack involving a maritime container. Since the container security initiatives that have been implemented by the Coast Guard and Customs and Border Protection Agency after 9/11 are not posing a meaningful barrier to determined terrorists, presumably one could look to the radiation sensors being deployed by the U.S. Department of Energy to provide a meaningful deterrent.  Alas, the technology currently being deployed around the world as a part of the Second Line of Defense and Mageport programs is not up to the task of detecting a nuclear weapon, a lightly shielded “dirty bomb,” or highly enriched uranium.  This is true not simply because there are problems at many foreign jurisdictions in keeping the detection equipment properly calibrated and in working condition as will be outlined in Mr. Aliose’s testimony.  But there is a more basic problem which is that nuclear weapons give off very little radioactivity since they are extremely well-shielded so that they can be readily handled.  In the case of a “dirty bomb”—as in the scenario I outlined at the start of my testimony—a terrorist who obtained or manufactured a dirty bomb is likely to take the necessary precaution of placing it in a container lined with lead.  The result will be that even a properly calibrated radiation sensor is unlikely to be able to detect the very low levels of radioactivity to register an alarm.  Finally, highly enriched uranium, which is used in the construction of a nuclear weapon, has such a long half-life that it emits too little radiation to be readily detected as well. This leaves as the final safeguard the radiation portals put in place by CBP at the exit of gates of U.S. ports or at our border crossings with Canada and Mexico.  Outside of the fact that a container that might contain a dirty bomb can expect to spend a day or more within the terminal before passing by this detection equipment, thereby placing the port facility itself at risk in the interim, the radiation portals used by CBP suffers from the same limitation as those operating overseas under DOE’s auspices. In the end, the container security measures being pursued by the U.S. government resembles a house of cards.  In all likelihood, when the next terrorist attack occurs on U.S. soil and it involves a maritime container it will have come in contact with most or even all the these new security protocols.  That is, the container likely will be from a C-TPAT company.  It will have originated or been transshipped through a CSI port.  It will have been handled in an ISPS compliant marine facility and crossed the ocean on an ISPS complaint ship.  It will have passed through a radiation portal and gone undetected.  As a consequence, when the attack happens, the entire security regime will implicated generating tremendous political pressure to abandon it. .  We can do better.  With relatively modest investments and a bit of ingenuity, the international intermodal system and global supply chains can have credible security while simultaneously improving their efficiency and reliability.   What is required are a series of measures that collectively enhance visibility and accountability within global supply chains. As a starting point, the United States should work with the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) and the European Union (EU) in authorizing third parties to conduct validation audits of the security protocols contained in the International Ship and Port Facility Security Code and the World Customs Organization’s new framework for security and trade facilitation.  The companies carrying out these inspections should be required to post a bond as a guarantor against substandard performance and be provided with appropriate liability protections should good-faith efforts prove insufficient to prevent a security breech.  A multilateral auditing organization made up of experienced inspectors and modeled on the International Atomic Energy Commission should be created to periodically audit the third party auditors.  This organization also should be charged with investigating major incidents and when appropriate, recommend changes to established security protocols. To minimize the risk that containers will be targeted by terrorist organizations between the factory and a loading port, the next step must be for governments to create incentives for the speedy adoption of technical standards developed by the International Standards Organization for tracking a container and monitoring its integrity.  The Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) technologies now being used by the U.S. Department of Defense for the global movement of military goods can provide a model for such a regime. Washington should next embrace and actively promote the widespread adoption of a novel container security project being sponsored by the Container Terminal Operators Association (CTOA) of Hong Kong.  Mr. Chairman, I know that you have seen this pilot in operation this past December, and just this weekend, two of your colleagues, Senator Lindsey Graham and Senator Charles Schumer have done so as well.  On April 1, 2006, DHS Secretary Michael Chertoff will be visiting Hong Kong to examine the pilot as well. As you know, starting in late 2004, every container arriving in the two main truck gates of two of the busiest marine terminals in the world are, at average speeds of 15 kph, have been passing through a gamma ray machine to scan its contents, a radiation portal to record the levels of radioactivity found within the container, and optical character recognition cameras which photograph the number painted on the top, back, and two sides of the container.  These scanned images, radiation profiles, and digital photos are then being stored in a database for customs authorities to immediately access if and when they want. The marine terminals in Hong Kong led by Group Managing Director John Meredith of Hutchison Port Holdings and Managing Director Sean Kelly of Modern Terminals have invested in this system for three reasons.  Most importantly, they are hoping that this 100 percent scanning regime will deter a terrorist organization from placing a weapon of mass destruction in a container passing through their port facilities.  Because the contents of every container are being scanned, should a terrorist organization try to shield a radioactive bomb or fissile material to defeat the radiation portals, it will be relatively easy to detect the shielding material because of its density.  A second reason for making this investment is to minimize the potential disruption associated with targeting containers for an inspection at the loading port. The system will allow the container to receive a preliminary inspection remotely without the container having to be removed from the marine terminal, transported to an inspection facility operated by Hong Kong customs authorities, and after the inspection, returned to the terminal but likely too late to be loaded on the ship for its scheduled voyage.  The third reason is that by maintaining a record of the contents of every container entering their terminal, the port is able to provide government authorities with a forensic tool that can support a follow-up investigation should a container still slip through with a weapon of mass destruction.  This tool would allow authorities to quickly isolate to a single supply chain where the security compromise took place, thereby minimizing the risk that a port-wide shut down will be necessary.  In other words, by scanning every container, the marine terminals in Hong Kong are well positioned to indemnify the port for security breeches that occur upstream.  As result, a terrorist would be unable to successfully generate enough fear and uncertainty to warrant shutting down one of the most important transportation hubs of the global trade system. This low-cost system of inspection is being carried out without impeding the operations of these very busy marine terminals.  It could be put in place in every major container port in the world at an estimated cost of $1.5 billion or approximately $10-25 per container, depending on the volume of containers moving through the terminal.   The system could be paid for by authorizing ports to collect user fees that cover the costs associated with purchasing the equipment, maintaining its upkeep, and investing in upgrades when appropriate.  Once such a system is operating globally, each nation would be in a position to monitor its exports and to spot-check their imports against the images first collected at the loading port.  From the standpoint of U.S. security, the biggest value of this system should it be widely deployed are twofold.  First, it provides a powerful deterrent to discourage terrorists from exploiting global supply chains as a conduit for a weapon of mass destruction.  This importantly also includes its counterproliferation potential.  If such a system were in place in the terminals owned and operated by Hutchison Port Holdings and Dubai Port World in the port of Karachi Pakistan, it would make that port a far less attractive place through which to smuggle nuclear materials to the Middle East.  The same holds true of ports along coastal China near North Korea.  Second, it creates a powerful deterrent to discourage terrorists from targeting the global supply chains with a “dirty bomb” since the inspection system will make the intermodal system far more resilient in managing a breach of security without a wholesale shutdown of the trade system. The total cost of third party compliance inspections, deploying “smart” containers, and operating a cargo scanning system such as the one being piloted in Hong Kong likely reach $50 to $100 per container depending on the number of containers an importer has and the complexity of its supply chain.  Such an investment would allow container security to quickly move from the current “trust, but don’t verify” system to a “trust but verify” one.  Can industry afford the cost of this regime?  Even if the final price tag came in at $100 additional cost per container, it would raise the average price of cargo moved by Wal-Mart or Target by only .2 percent.  What importers and consumers are getting in return for that investment is both the reduced risk of a catastrophic terrorist attack and the cascading economic consequences flowing from such an attack. Happily, developing the means to track and verify the status of containers provides benefits that go beyond security.  This is because there is a powerful commercial case for constructing this capability as well.  When retailers and manufacturers can monitor the status of all their orders, they can confidently reach out to a wider array of suppliers to provide them what they need at the best price.  They also can trim their overhead costs by reducing inventories with less risk that they will be left short.  Transportation providers will benefit from greater visibility as well.  Terminal operators and container ships, that have earlier and more detailed information about incoming goods, can develop load plans for outbound vessels in advance and direct truck movements with greater efficiency.  Greater visibility also brings potential benefits for dealing with insurance issues.  Knowing precisely where and when a theft takes place makes it easier to decipher the nature of the threat and to identify what breaches, if any, contributed to the loss.  When there is damage, it is much easier to track down the responsible parties.  In short, rather than spreading the risk across the entire transportation community, insurance premiums can be more carefully tailored.  In turn, that creates a stronger market incentive for all the participants in the supply chain to exercise greater care. Even if there were no terrorist threat, there are ample reasons for individual governments, ASEAN, the European Union, WTO, and other regional and international organizations to place port, border, and transportation security at the top of the multilateral agenda.  Enhance controls within the global trade lanes will help all countries reduce theft; stop the smuggling of drugs, humans, and counterfeit goods; crack down on tariff evasion; and improve export controls.  At the end of the day, confronting the nuclear smuggling threat requires that we take the post-9/11 security framework the U.S. government has been developing largely on the fly over the past four years, and quickly move it to the next generation of initiatives that build on the original framework.   We have a version 1.0.  We need a version 2.0.  The three key ingredients of getting from where we are to where we must be are: (1) to recognize that it is a global network that we are trying to secure; (2) that much of that network is owned and operated by private entities, many who have foreign ownership so U.S. government must be willing and able to work with those companies as well as their host governments so as to advance appropriate safeguards, and (3) both Congress and the White House should embrace a framework of "trust but verify," in President Ronald Reagan's phrase, based on real global standards and meaningful international oversight. Thank you and I look forward to responding to your questions. Stephen Flynn is the author of America the Vulnerable.  He is currently writing a new book to be published by Random House in Fall 2006 entitled, The Edge of Disaster: Catastrophic Storms, Terror, and American Recklessness.  He is the inaugural occupant of the Jeane J. Kirkpatrick Chair in National Security Studies at the Council on Foreign Relations. Dr. Flynn served as Director and principal author for the task force report “America: Still Unprepared—Still in Danger,” co-chaired by former Senators Gary Hart and Warren Rudman.  Since 9/11 he has provided congressional testimony on homeland security matters on fifteen occasions.  He spent twenty years as a commissioned officer in the U.S. Coast Guard including two commands at sea, served in the White House Military Office during the George H.W. Bush administration, and was director for Global Issues on the National Security Council staff during the Clinton administration.  He holds a Ph.D. and M.A.L.D. from the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy and a B.S. from the U.S. Coast Guard Academy.
  • Iran
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  • Russia
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    The project director of the Council on Foreign Relations’ Independent Task Force report on U.S. policy toward Russia says a major test of Moscow’s relations with the West will be how it handles the talks on Iran’s nuclear program. Stephen Sestanovich says although the United States and Europe have so far backed the Russian initiative on enriching uranium for Iran, the major question will arise if Iran firmly rejects the Russian offer.
  • Nonproliferation, Arms Control, and Disarmament
    A Nuclear Iran: Challenges and Responses
    After the International Atomic Energy Agency on February 4 voted to report Iran to the UN Security Council because of its concerns over its nuclear program, the rituals of diplomacy persist. The international community sees the Security Council move as ratcheting up the pressure in order to deter Iran from moving closer to a potential weapons capability. But the Islamic Republic is seemingly determined to acquire a sophisticated nuclear infrastructure that will avail it a weapons option at some point in the near future. Today, Iran stands at crossroads. For nearly three years, Iran was involved in delicate negotiations with Britain, France and Germany, regarding the direction of its nuclear program. The failure of those talks have not lessened the scope of international diplomacy, as the Russians are now struggling to craft an agreement that prevents Iran from completing its fuel cycle capabilities. Ultimately, the course of Iran’s nuclear policy maybe decided less by what Europeans say, than by what Americans do. The nature of Iran’s relations with the United States and the type of security architecture that emerges in the Persian Gulf are likely to determine Iran’s decisions. It is neither inevitable nor absolute that Iran will become the next member of the nuclear club, as its internal debates are real and its course of actions is still unsettled. The international community and the United States will have an immeasurable impact on Iran’s nuclear future. A more imaginative U.S. diplomacy can still prevent Iran from crossing the nuclear threshold and assembling a bomb. Understanding the Nature of the Iranian RegimeMore than any other issue, the nuclear question has exposed the divisions within the clerical establishment over Iran’s international orientation. To be sure, Iran’s many factions are united on the need to sustain a vibrant nuclear research program that, in due course, will offer Tehran the option of manufacturing a bomb. However, the prospect of actually assembling a weapon in defiance of the international community and in violation of Iran’s long-standing treaty commitments has generated a subtle yet robust debate. From the outset it must be emphasized that for all the factions involved in this debate the core issue is how to safeguard Iran’s national interests. The Islamic Republic is not an irrational rogue seeking such weaponry as an instrument of an aggressive, revolutionary foreign policy designed to project its power abroad. This is not an “Islamic bomb” to be handed over to terrorist organizations or exploded in the streets of New York or Washington. For Iran this is a weapon of deterrence and the relevant question is whether its possession will serve its practical interests? The paradox of the post-September 11 Middle East is that although Iran’s security has improved through the removal of Saddam and of the Taliban in Afghanistan, its feelings of insecurity have intensified. The massive projection of American power in the region and the enduring antagonism between Washington and Tehran constitute Iran’s foremost strategic dilemma and its primary motivation for the acquisition of the "strategic weapon." At a time when the American politicians routinely and loudly contemplate regime change in Iran, it is hard for the leadership in Tehran to categorically dispense with a nuclear program that can serve as its ultimate guarantor. However, as with nearly every other important issue currently being debated in the Islamic Republic, the notion of crossing the nuclear threshold is hardly a settled topic. The primary supporters of the nuclear breakout option are hard-line elements associated with the Supreme Religious Leader, Ali Khamenei. Through command of key institutions such as the Revolutionary Guards and the Guardian Council, Iran’s reactionary clerics have enormous influence on national security planning. A fundamental tenet of the hardliners’ ideology is the notion that the Islamic Republic is in constant danger from predatory external forces, necessitating military self-reliance. This perception was initially molded by a revolution that sought not just to defy but refashion international norms. The passage of time and the failure of that mission have not necessarily diminished the hardliners suspicions of the international order and its primary guardian, the United States. Jumhuri-ye Islami, the conservative newspaper and the mouthpiece of Khamenei, sounded this theme by stressing, The core problem is the fact that our officials’ outlook on the nuclear dossier of Iran is faulty and they are on the wrong track. It seems they have failed to appreciate that America is after our destruction and the nuclear issue is merely an excuse for them. In a similar vein, Resalat, another influential conservative paper, sounded out the themes of deterrence and national interest by claiming, “In the present situation of international order whose main characteristics are injustice and the weakening of the rights of others, the Islamic Republic has no alternative but intelligent resistance while paying the least cost.” Given such perceptions, the Iranian right does not necessarily object to international isolation and confrontation with the West. Indeed, for many within this camp, such a conflict would be an effective means of rekindling popular support for the revolution’s fading élan. Iran’s nuclear calculations have been further hardened by the rise of war-veterans such as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to positions of power. Although the Iran-Iraq war ended nearly twenty years ago, for many within the Islamic Republic it was a defining experience that altered their strategic assumptions. Even a cursory examination of Ahmadinejad’s speeches reveals that for him the war is far from a faded memory. In his defiant speech at the UN General Assembly in September 2005, Iran’s president pointedly admonished the assembled dignitaries for their failings: For eight years, Saddam’s regime imposed a massive war of aggression against my people. It employed the most heinous weapons of mass destruction including chemical weapons against Iranians and Iraqi’s alike. Who, in fact, armed Saddam with those weapons? What was the reaction of those who claim to fight against WMDs regarding the use of chemical weapons then?The international indifference to Saddam’s war crimes and Tehran’s lack of an effective response, has led Iran’s war-veteran turned president to perceive that the security of his country cannot be predicated on global opinion and disarmament treaties. Given their paranoia and suspicions, the hardliners insist that American objections to Iran’s nuclear program do not stem from its concerns about proliferation, but its opposition to the character of their regime. They argue that should Iran acquiesce on the nuclear portfolio, the perfidious Americans would only search for another issue with which to coerce Iran. “The West opposes the nature of the Islamic rule. If this issue [the nuclear standoff] is resolved, then they will bring up human rights. If we solve that, they will bring up animal rights,” emphasized Ahmadinejad. As such, there appears no sufficient reason to compromise on a critical national program since such concessions will not measurably relieve American pressure. At the core, all disarmament agreements call upon a state to forgo a certain degree of sovereignty for enhanced security. Once a state renounces its weapons of mass destruction programs it can be assured of support from the international community should it be threatened by another state possessing such arms. This implied trade-off has no value for Iran’s hardliners. Once more, the prolonged war with Iraq conditions their worldview and behavior. Iraq’s use of chemical weapons against Iran with impunity if not the tacit acceptance of Western powers has reinforced Iran’s suspicions of the international order. Jumhuri-ye Islami stipulated, “As a rule, it is futile to enter any deal with the West over issues related to the country’s independence and national security.” For many of the Islamic Republic’s reactionary clerics, the only way to safeguard Iran’s interests is to develop an independent nuclear deterrent. Beyond such perceptions, the American demands that Iran relinquish its fuel cycle rights granted to it by the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty has aroused the leadership’s nationalistic impulses. As a country that has historically been subject of foreign intervention and imposition of various capitulation treaties, Iran is inordinately sensitive of its national prerogatives and sovereign rights. For the new rulers of Iran, they are being challenged not because of their provocations and previous treaty violations, but because of superpower bullying. In a peculiar manner, the nuclear program and Iran’s national identity have become fused in the imagination of the hardliners. To stand against an impudent America is to validate one’s revolutionary ardor and sense of nationalism. Thus, the notion of compromise and acquiescence has limited utility to Iran’s aggrieved nationalists. Despite their bitterness and cynicism, the theocratic hardliners are eternal optimists when it comes to the international community’s reception of Iran’s nuclear breakout. Many influential conservative voices insist that Iran would follow the model of India and Pakistan, namely the initial international outcry would soon be followed by acceptance of Iran’s new status. Thus, Tehran would regain its commercial contracts and keep its nuclear weapons. The former Iranian Foreign Minister Akbar Velayati noted this theme when stressing, “Whenever we stand firm and defend our righteous stands resolutely, they are forced to retreat and have no alternatives.” The notion of Iran’s mischievous past and its tense relations with the United States militating against the acceptance of its nuclear status by the international community is rejected by the right. However, should their anticipations fail, and Iran become subject of sanctions, it is a price that the hardliners are willing to pay for an important national prerogative. Ahmadinejad has pointedly noted that even sanctions were to be imposed, “The Iranian nation would still have its rights.” In a similar vein, Ayatollah Jannati, the head of the Guardian Council, has noted, “We do not welcome sanctions, but if we are threatened by sanctions, we will not give in.” The notion of the need to sacrifice and struggle on behalf of the revolution and resist imperious international demands is an essential tent of the hardliners’ ideological perspective. In the Islamic Republic’s informal governing structure, the national security decisions are subject to input by many figures, even those not necessarily with a portfolio. The former Prime Minister Mir Hussein Mussavi for instance who has been out of power for nearly two decades is nevertheless consulted intimately about Iran’s nuclear course. It appears that despite Western perceptions that the nuclear issue is decided by a narrow band of conservatives, Khamenei has broaden the parameters of the debate and has included relevant elites from across the political spectrum in the nuclear deliberations. Thus, reformers out of power, moderate conservatives struggling against their reactionary brethren as well as professionals from key bureaucracies are allowed to stress their point of view. Given the provocative nature of the nuclear program, Khamenei seems to be hoping that the burden of any ensuing international confrontation would be assumed by all political factions, as opposed to being the responsibility only of the conservatives. Thus, the systematic consolidation of power by the conservatives over the state does not necessarily mean that voices of restraint are excised from the decision-making process. In contrast to the hardliners, the pragmatic elements within the Islamic Republic’s officialdom insist that Iran’s on-going integration into the international order and the global economy mandates accepting certain restrictions on its nuclear program. Although it is tempting to see this issue as divided between reactionaries and reformers, the coalition pressing for reticence features both conservatives, such as Rafsanjani, who is currently the head of the Expediency Council, and the reformist politicians attached to the Islamic Participation Front. The proponents of this strategy do not call for the dismantling of Iran’s nuclear edifice, but for the development of a breakout capacity within the flexible guidelines of the NPT. Given Iran’s long-term commitment to the NPT and the prevailing international scrutiny, a provocative policy could invite multilateral sanctions and lead Iran’s valuable commercial partners, such as the European Union, to embrace the U.S. policy of isolating and pressuring Iran. Thus, for this constituency, a hedging strategy can sustain Iran’s nuclear program while maintaining its international ties. In the recent months, as Iran’s reckless diplomacy has generated a series of IAEA resolutions condemning its conduct and calling for its referral to the UN Security Council, the members of this group have called for restraint, even suspension of various nuclear activities. Rafsanjani has taken the lead in admonishing Iran’s new president by stressing that “we have reached a sensitive point. There is need for prudence on both sides. The reformers have gone further, as Mohsen Armin, a leading figure of the Organization of the Mujahedin of the Islamic Revolution, called on the government to “suspend nuclear activities voluntarily and resume talks in order to build confidence and protect Iran’s right to conduct peaceful nuclear activities in the future.” For the more moderate elements of the nuclear program has to be seen in a wider context of Iran’s international relations. Unlike their reactionary brethren, the more pragmatic elements appreciate that given Iran’s “exceptional” nature and the eagerness of the United States to publicize all of its infractions as a means of multilateralzing its coercive policy, a defiant posture may not serve it well. The influential moderate politician Mohsen Mirdamadi stipulated, “The reality is that our recent achievement in the area of nuclear technology has been part of our strength and created new opportunities for us in the international arena, but we should not turn this into a new threat. We should be careful not to bring the US and Europe together.” To be sure, other states have surreptitiously developed nuclear weapons, however, they did so with superpower acceptance—even complicity—and an international environment that was not suspicious of their intent. Iran does not enjoy such advantages, as its revolutionary past and its continued engagement with terrorist organizations makes many states wary of its motives. Tehran simply does not have the luxury allotted to Pakistan or India. All this does not imply a propensity to renounce a weapons capability but recognition of the need for restraint and the importance of the international community and its opinion. Iran’s pragmatists are increasingly been drawn to the North Korean model, as Pyongyang has adroitly managed to employ its nuclear defiance to extract concessions from the international community. Through a similar posture of restraint and defiance, threats and blandishments, perhaps Tehran can also utilize its nuclear card to renegotiate a more rational relationship with its leading nemesis, the United States. The conservative publication Farda postulated such a move, stressing that “the credibility that these weapons have had and continue to have at the global level, their importance is in the support they give to bargaining in international negotiations and advancement of the country’s national interests.” The influential conservative politician Muhammad Javad Larijani, echoed this theme by stressing, “If out national interests dictate, we can go to the bowels of hell to negotiate with the devil.” Hovering over this debate, once more, stands the Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei. As mentioned, Khamenei’s instincts would be to support the reactionary elements in their call for defiance and pursuit of the nuclear option. However, in his role as the guardian of the state, he must consider the nuclear program in the context of Iran’s larger international relations. Thus far, despite his ideological compunctions, Khamenei has pressed the state toward restraint. The fact that Iran continues to negotiate with the Russians and did suspend critical components of its program for over two years, reflects his willingness to subordinate ideology to pragmatism. Indeed, President Ahmadinejad’s acceptance of the negotiations, despite his campaign rhetoric, denotes his willingness to accede to the direction set out by Khamenei. All this may change, as Iran does need to make critical decisions regarding its nuclear program. In assessing a state’s nuclear path, it is important to note that its motivations cannot be exclusively examined within the context of its national interests and security considerations. Whatever strategic benefits such weapons offer a state, they are certainly a source of national prestige and parochial benefits to various bureaucracies and politicians. As such constituencies emerge, a state can potentially cross the nuclear threshold even if the initial strategic factors that provoked the program are no longer salient. The emergence of bureaucracies and nationalistic pressures in Iran is generating its own proliferation momentum, empowering those seeking a nuclear breakout. Time may not be on the side of the international community, as inevitably the pragmatic voices calling for hedging are likely to be marginalized and lose their influence within the regime. The question then becomes what is to be done? The focus of U.S. diplomacy should not be on Ahmadinejad, as his pathologies are immutable. However, should Washington and its European allies craft a generous package of security assurances and measurable sanctions relief in exchange for Tehran’s suspension of the critical components of its nuclear infrastructure, it may succeed in peeling away important clerical powerbrokers from the cause of nuclear arms. In the end, there is neither a Russian nor a purely European solution to Iran’s nuclear conundrum. Despite its aversions and prohibitions, the United States has to be involved in negotiations with Iran for this issue to be conclusively resolved. At this point, Washington should contemplate establishing a contact group that would involve seven parties: U.S., Russia, China, Britain, France, Germany and Iran. The seven-party format would provide the Bush administration with enough political cover that it could state publicly that it has not bestowed legitimacy or recognition on the Islamic Republic. This would be similar to the stance Washington has taken vis-à-vis Pyongyang in the six-party talks. These talks would offer Iran nuclear fuel guarantees that could place the fuel with a trusted third party. But fuel assurances alone would not be enough incentive to convince Tehran to suspend its uranium-enrichment program. In addition, the security dialogue approach should provide Iran with tangible economic incentives designed to help its ailing economy. Furthermore, Iran’s right to peaceful nuclear technologies would be recognized. However, in return, Tehran would agree to cease its enrichment activities as well as other work that could lead to production of weapons-usable fissile material. In addition, Iran would ratify and implement the additional protocol to help provide verifiable evidence that these activities have been suspended. If Iran rejects this concerted diplomatic effort, then the United States will have an easier time reaching a consensus through the United Nations to enact tough multilateral sanctions. Examining the past history of countries that have renounced nuclear weapons or potential weapons programs, the predominant theme is that these renunciations took place only after those countries experienced a substantial lessening of external threats.
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    Preventing Catastrophic Nuclear Terrorism
    Overview A nuclear attack by terrorists against the United States has the potential to make the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, look like a historical footnote. In addition to the immediate horrific devastation, such an attack could cost trillions of dollars in damages, potentially sparking a global economic depression. Although, during the 2004 presidential campaign, President George W. Bush and Democratic challenger Senator John F. Kerry agreed that terrorists armed with nuclear weapons worried them more than any other national security threat, the U.S. government has yet to elevate nuclear terrorism prevention to the highest priority. Despite several U.S. and international programs to secure nuclear weapons and the materials to make them, major gaps in policy remain. This report makes clear what is needed to reduce the possibility of nuclear terrorism. It identifies where efforts have fallen short in securing and eliminating nuclear weapons and weapons-usable nuclear materials, and it offers realistic recommendations to plug these gaps in the U.S. and international response. The result is a clear primer on a critical subject and a set of practical proposals that policymakers would be wise to consider carefully.
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    Russia’s Nuclear Deal with Iran
    As the world struggles to find a formula for dealing with suspicious nuclear developments in Iran , Russian diplomats have been holding bilateral talks with Iranian officials on a proposal they say could defuse the crisis.
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    Friedberg: Only Continued Pressure, Combined With Inducements, Can Bring End to North Korean Nuclear Program
    Aaron L. Friedberg, an East Asian expert and former deputy national security adviser for Vice President Dick Cheney, says the U.S. program of cracking down on North Korean counterfeiting and other illicit activities is the only way to hope for a breakthrough in the stalled disarmament talks.
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    Israel’s Nuclear Program and Middle East Peace
    As diplomatic pressure intensifies on Iran over its nuclear program, new attention is being focused on Israel’s nuclear capabilities and the challenges its nuclear program poses for peace in the Middle East.
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    Albright: U.S. Should Offer Iran Security Guarantee to End Nuclear Weapons Capability
    Amid mounting concern over Iran’s nuclear program, a prominent Western expert says there is still time to dissuade Tehran from pursuing an atomic-weapons capability. David Albright tells CFR.org’s Bernard Gwertzman it is time for the United States to offer security guarantees to Iran.
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    Takeyh: Security Council Unlikely to Take Strong Action Against Iran
    Ray Takeyh, the CFR’s top Iranian expert, says the latest spurt of diplomacy will lead to a discussion in the UN Security Council and more diplomacy, but he doubts that the Security Council will take any action that will lead Iran to pull back from its nuclear program. "The only thing I can say, with some degree of confidence, is that the process the United States has embarked on, the IAEA/Security Council process, is unlikely to generate a significant degree of pressure to fundamentally alter the direction of Iran’s nuclear ambitions," Takeyh, senior fellow for Middle Eastern studies, says.Complicating the problem, he says, is what Takeyh calls the "irresponsible" policies followed by the current President of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. The United States, Britain, France, Russia and China have agreed to report the standoff with Iran to the Security Council for possible action in March. Takeyh says "I think their reaction right now is a typical reaction of Iran, a belligerent, bellicose rhetoric to be followed by more tempered behavior. Today they’re talking about the end of diplomacy and so forth, but I suspect they’ll come back to negotiations. That doesn’t necessarily mean that those negotiations will result in acquiescence, but Iranians will always negotiate."After a sudden burst of diplomacy, the United States, the European Union-3 [Britain, France, and Germany], Russia, and China have agreed on having a report on Iran’s nuclear activity sent to the UN Security Council but no action is likely until March at least, and Iran is very angry about this. What do you make of the situation?On the one hand it’s a success for the United States to get this portfolio transferred. As early as September 2005, an International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) resolution stipulated that this issue was in the purview of the Security Council but it didn’t specify when it should go to New York. So, this was a further addition to the IAEA process that began in September. It will likely now go to the Security Council and it will sit there for a month while there will be additional diplomacy to try to get everyone back from the precipice.Discuss the Iranian reaction today.The Iranians had already said that if this goes to the Security Council, they see no further reason for some of their voluntary cooperation in terms of adherence to additional protocols and so forth. I think their reaction right now is a typical reaction of Iran -- a belligerent, bellicose rhetoric to be followed by more tempered behavior. Today they’re talking about the end of diplomacy and so forth, but I suspect they’ll come back to negotiations. That doesn’t necessarily mean that those negotiations will result in acquiescence, but Iranians will always negotiate.The Iranians themselves have been negotiating with the Russians on the Russian proposal, which has everyone’s approval except the Iranians right now, to have the processing work on uranium done in Russia and perhaps some other countries. Then the processed uranium would be sent back to Iran for work on fuel production. But, why is Iran not agreeing to this offer?They have had different types of reactions to the Russian deal. Initially, when the Russian deal was proposed they rejected it. Then they agreed to negotiate about it; then they said it was inadequate and put it aside. In the last few days they opportunistically thought it was a good idea and they might like to considerate it. Then [Iran’s National Security Council Secretary Ali] Larijani comes back from Moscow and it was inadequate again. So they have had an opportunistic, cynical approach to the Russian deal, much as the Russians did to Iran. The Iranians have always said that all indigenous and nuclear research and processing activities have to take place within the country -- that has been their baseline position. I’m not sure if the Russian deal of outsourcing critical portions of the nuclear program is acceptable to them. But, they have dealt with this in a transparently opportunistic manner.Let me just cut to the quick here before we go too far along. What is your view today on whether you think Iran really wants a nuclear weapon or not.Well I always say that it is my view based on the evidence that is at my disposal that Iran intends to have a very sophisticated and advanced nuclear infrastructure that would avail it of the option to assemble a weapon or not. That’s as far as you can go. I realize there is a lot of facile speculation and uninformed analysis out there, based more on individual assumptions as opposed to concrete data. But that’s as far as you can go. And I suspect that that determination is intact.Do you think the Iranians at the highest levels know what they want to do down the road?Iran’s diplomacy has always been very good at tactics but not so much on an overall strategic conception. I think like everybody else in this melodrama, whether it’s the United States, or Russia, or Britain, Iran is also engaged in a level of improvised theater. Everybody is sort of making it up as they go along, reacting to each other’s moves. There does seem to be apparently irreconcilable objectives from the two sides. Iranians are determined to have a domestic enrichment capability and the international community, particularly the United States and the Europeans, are determined to deny them that capability. Those two positions have not come close together as a result of all the diplomacy and the EU-3 negotiations, all the threats of referrals and sanctions, and all the Russian proposals and so on. So although both sides are engaging in a level of improvisation in terms of their diplomacy, their core stated objectives have been surprisingly unaltered.Even President Bush the other day said Iran is entitled to peaceful uses of nuclear energy, but not weapons. In fact, that’s the first time I even heard Bush say that.I think he said it before.Why do you think the Europeans have joined with the United States on this issue? What’s gotten them so upset at Iran?Well for one thing, when Iran began negotiating with the EU-3 about two and a half years ago, many within Iran suggested that was a mistake. Because, what happened was it put EU-3’s credibility on the line. The one reason why the EU-3 is so animated by this issue -- and frankly the larger European community is as well -- is because of their credibility. The Europeans essentially said to the Americans in October 2003, "Let us handle this our way." And the Americans said, "OK fine. You can handle this issue. We think your diplomatic approach is a flawed one, is a deficient one, but go ahead. See what you can do with it." So Europeans cannot be seen as failing that fundamental test of credibility on a critical disarmament issue. That’s one reason why they have been more steadfast and resolute than many had anticipated. Second of all may be the most obvious one: The Europeans are as concerned about Iran’s proliferation tendencies as anybody else is. There’s a genuine concern regarding proliferation of nuclear technologies for a government whose stance has become much harder in the last couple of months and whose leadership apparently has become much more belligerent and bellicose. So there’s a genuine concern regarding a potential threat that this Iranian government poses with such weapons.I guess if the Iranians were strictly interested in peaceful uses there were many things they could have done differently, right?Sure. They could have accepted the Russian deal; they could have accepted the European bargains, and so forth. They seem to want not just nuclear energy, but a very advanced, sophisticated capability that could give them nuclear energy and other options. Secondly, the Iranians always say that people always ask them to rely on Russians for this fundamental source of energy -- and they say, "Well, you tell that the Ukrainians." So they don’t want to be dependent on anybody.I see. So that has some intrinsic sense to it. What about on the broader picture. You wrote an op-ed the other day with Charles Kupchan, another CFR Fellow, suggesting that essentially the United States and Iran should talk about Iraq...What we were trying to suggest, perhaps imperfectly, is that the nuclear issue cannot be resolved by itself. It has to be discussed in a broader context of U.S.-Iran disagreements and relations. And once you begin in an area of a potential agreement between the two sides, namely the future of Iraq, that could essentially alleviate an Iranian security concern and the unintended result of that, would be to diminish its nuclear appetite. So what we’re saying is you can’t really solve the nuclear issue without discussing the larger set of Iranian security concerns and the larger set of problems between the United States and Iran.Of course this Iranian government does not seem to be knocking itself out to negotiate with the American government on anything, as far as I can tell.Well, essentially what we were trying to suggest in the piece as well is that U.S. diplomacy, whatever it is, whether it’s coercive or incentive based and engagement based, can not be targeted toward [Iranian President Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad. His pathologies are immutable. But by having that broad based comprehensive diplomacy, perhaps you can peel off significant components of the regime and press Iran in the right direction and therefore isolate its rather irresponsible president.What is going on internally in Iran as far as you can tell right now? The common wisdom from reporters etc. is a national consensus behind this vigorous nuclear program.The government in Iran has done something quite clever. They essentially have tried to -- with some degree of success -- mobilize national support behind this program. And what they have done is in two segments. One, is a persistent claim by the Iranian government that the United States really doesn’t object to our nuclear technology and nuclear infrastructure, they object to the regime. That’s what they’re upset about. And all this talk about nuclear arms and so forth is just another means of Americans applying pressure on us.If Americans were so concerned about the spread of nuclear technologies, why aren’t they doing anything about Pakistan, India, and so forth? This is not an administration that is concerned about proliferation about nuclear technologies. It’s more about the character of our regime. Second, they are saying that -- and it’s related to the first position -- no amount of concessions that we make is going to satisfy the United States. My favorite Ahmadinejad quote is, "If you give in on nuclear weapons program, they’ll ask about human rights. If you give in on human rights, they’ll ask about animal rights." So what he is saying is that there is no end to American demands because the Americans are using the nuclear program as a clever means of multilaterlising their longstanding policy of isolating, pressuring, and undermining Iran. And if that’s the intentions of the Americans, why should we make any concessions to begin with? The third point is they have portrayed the demands of the Europeans and the Americans similar to the "capitulation" treaties that were imposed on Iran throughout the twentieth century by the Russians, the British, and to some extent, the Americans. So they’re saying this is yet another capitulation treaty imposed on us that denies and tarnishes our national dignity. And that’s how they have cleverly tapped into a historical sentiment by the Iranian people that they’ve often been mistreated by great powers.Remind me what a capitulation treaty is.The capitulation treaties were the sort of treaties that were imposed on China; namely that the great powers impose agreements on a country that is beneficial strictly to them and tends to be exploitive and abusive of that country.And there’s a history of this with Iran?Yes, there certainly is. Certainly it was during the British times in the early twentieth century when the British were an exploitive, semi-colonial power expropriating Iran’s oil wealth for their own national industrial benefit. And even once the United States displaced Britain as a great power, it imposed certain demand on Iran such as the fact that American military personal living in Iran would not be subject to Iranian law should they engage in any sort of illegal activities or malfeasance of sorts.Because that’s universal for the U.S.?And it’s universally objectionable.On Iraq, of course that’s a very sensitive issue right now. It’s not clear to me whether Iran is helpful or is really working hard to undercut the United States in Iraq. What do you sense?It’s a complicated and most likely, mixed picture. To some extent Iranian and American objectives in Iraq have coincided despite the two powers; in a sense that the Americans want the democratic process to move forward and so do Iranians because they recognize such a process benefits the Shiite majority. The Americans want Iraq to remain territorially in tact and so do Iranians because they don’t want fragmentation of Iraq which could lead to instability through out the region. The Americans want to prevent any sort of a restoration of Baathist power or Sunni monopoly of power; Iranians certainly share that given the fact that they have had tense relationships with Sunni governments of Iraq dating back to Iraq’s independence, certainly after the 1958 Iraqi revolution that brought the republicans and Baathists to power. So there’s sort of a peculiar coincidence of interests, maybe for a different set of reasons, but the two powers have shared some objectives. And Iranians have actually been urging and assisting the process of reconstruction in Iraq in a sense that the success and stability of the Shiite government is in their own parochial interests.Which segment of the Shiites do they tend to support? Because the Shiites in Iraq are divided themselves?They tend to support the more religious based parties like the Supreme Council of Islamic Revolution and the Dawa party and those tend to be the most organized within the Shiite community and they have a dominant seat in the new Iraqi government. So again they have benefited from the fact that those they have affiliated with are the best organized and best mobilized segment of the Shiite community to the point of actually dominating it. That may change over time, but at this stage it’s where it stands.Let’s conclude by giving you the opportunity to predict what’s going to happen by the end of March.The only thing I can say, with some degree of confidence, is that the process the United States has embarked on -- the IAEA /Security Council process -- is unlikely to generate a significant degree of pressure to fundamentally alter the direction of Iran’s nuclear ambitions.That gives the U.S. the choice of just living with it or doing something about it. And I guess that’s a very tough decision in Washington.It’s not a decision they have to make now, but they will get to that point.
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    Segal: China Hoping to Avoid Confrontation Over Iran’s Nuclear Program
    Adam Segal, a CFR expert on Chinese technological and military policies, says the U.S. and European effort to bring Iran to the Security Council for its decision to continue research and work on its nuclear program puts China in an uncomfortable spot. While there is no question, Segal says, that China’s much more interested in good relations with the United States than it is with Iran, Iran nevertheless is one of a number of Middle Eastern oil states that China is trying to develop good relations with.If the Iran issue gets to the United Nations, "it’s an extremely difficult tightrope for the Chinese to walk down, " says Segal, Maurice R. Greenberg senior fellow for China studies. "But I think...they would very much like the Russians to take the lead. They’re unlikely to support sanctions, but they’re likely to let the Russians take the heat for that."On North Korea, Segal says the Chinese are eager to work out an arrangement that would get North Korea to end its nuclear program, but is so fearful of a breakdown in North Korean society that it is reluctant to bring real pressure to bear on Pyongyang.Segal was interviewed on January 24, 2006 by Bernard Gwertzman, consulting editor for cfr.org.China is a nuclear power and a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty [NPT]. What has China’s attitude been on questions of nonproliferation over time? Has it been a strong supporter of it?Traditionally, not, though we’ve seen a lot of progress in China over the last twenty years. But Iran and North Korea currently are two important exceptions. So what you’ve seen over the years internally in China is a growth of export-control laws that are supposed to prevent proliferation and control Chinese firms who sell things to wrong-end users. And China has generally narrowed both the geographic scope of its proliferation and the materials, so in the 1980s there was a large, widespread cooperation with any number of countries that had nuclear weapons aspirations.Pakistan, I guess, was in that group.Pakistan, Iran, Korea, South Africa, Argentina. But what we’ve seen since the 1990s is a narrowing of that cooperation. So now China cooperates with almost no one on nuclear energy issues. In fact, under U.S. pressure, it cut off cooperation with the Iranians in the late 1990s and has pretty much stopped selling missile systems, like it did in the 1980s, to Middle Eastern countries like Saudi Arabia. But it has been continually penalized by U.S. administrations, including this one, for selling dual-use missile technology to the Iranians. Dual-use ballistic missile technology?Things like metal components, guidance systems, which have dual use that could be used in the Iranian missile program.And why has this changed? Is it to make sure its relations with the United States do not suffer?I think it was two things. A large part of it was maintaining good relations with the United States. In the late 1990s, China decided that most of its security and political aspirations could only be gotten diplomatically through good relations with Washington. I think there was also a realization in China that proliferation could be a threat to China and that eventually [proliferation] could come back to haunt it, especially after the Pakistani and Indian tests. It also did not have a lot to gain from regional arms races.You said at the start that the exceptions are North Korea and Iran.And Pakistan.Why don’t we start with North Korea? Now, China is the host for the six-nation talks focused on getting North Korea to give up its nuclear weapons program. Had they helped North Korea develop its programs?It’s possible that in the early 1980s they provided some assistance in the nuclear energy program—I don’t think we know for sure. From what we learned from Pakistan, the design for the Koreans came from the Pakistanis. But there was some cooperation with China on nuclear energy. In the 1990s, I think it’s clear that the Chinese had not been assisting the North Koreans and it’s clear that they now want North Korea to denuclearize. But there are other main concerns to China, namely [a fear] of collapse in North Korea, so they’re constantly balancing those two.Recently the head of North Korea, Kim Jong-Il, visited China on a week-long trip. We don’t really know what happened except afterwards the U.S. negotiator Christopher Hill met privately with the North Korean negotiator. And again, we don’t know what happened in those talks. Do you have any speculation on this? Have you heard anything?No. I think the Chinese are constantly trying to push the North Koreans and the United States back to the negotiating table. The Chinese clearly have a lot at stake in the success of the six-party talks. It’s one of the first times they’ve taken the lead in international negotiations. The motivation for Kim’s visit is hard to discuss since we know so little about it, but I think what the Chinese are constantly telling the North Koreans is, "You can reform and still stay in power. Look what we did." So I think Kim went to Shenzhen, which had been China’s first special economic zone, where the Chinese attempted to test reform in a small locality to see how it worked. The North Koreans are building similar special economic zones in North Korea. I think it was probably a further sense of, "You can do economic reform and still maintain political power."Do they have much leverage on the North Koreans on the nuclear issue?I think they have much more leverage than they will admit to the United States. They managed to bring the North Koreans back to the table once before when the Chinese claimed that a fuel pipeline to North Korea was "mysteriously under repair" for three days; China is still the main supplier of food and fuel to North Korea. But I think the Chinese are very unwilling to use the leverage because of, one, the fear of North Korea collapsing, and two, I don’t think they think sanctions would be effective.If North Korea collapses, would it be total chaos there? I don’t know what you mean by collapsing; North Korea has such a strong military.Well, I think the fear is you will get hundreds of thousands of refugees across the border, which then could probably destabilize an area that’s already heavily ethnically Korean inside China. And would U.S. troops [already stationed on the border between North and South Korea] move up the Korean peninsula? That’s the fear.And on Iran—I haven’t heard them say much on Iran. What kind of relationship do they have with Tehran?They have a growing relationship with Iran. Iran provides, I think, 13 percent of [China’s] oil and Chinese oil demands are only going to go up. It is an increasing geo-strategic relationship, where China wants to increase its influence in the Middle East and have good relations with all the potential suppliers. They signed a cooperation agreement with Saudi Arabia to develop further energy cooperation. I think it’s very typical for the Chinese to be quiet while Iran is involved in these negotiations with the United States and the European Union. They’re going to say that we should have more negotiations; they will expect Russia to take the lead in blocking aggressive sanctions from the U.S. or EU.The next major test will occur at the International Atomic Energy Agency’s (IAEA) special session February 2, but I guess that’s just expected to send the issue to the Security Council but not with any special punitive recommendations. China has enormous trade with the United States, too, and it must be a tough decision for them to decide which side to stand on this.I think it is clear which side they are tilted to; in their overall relationships, the United States is so much more important. If you think about every kind of critical goal of the Chinese leadership—economic growth, domestic stability, reclaiming Taiwan—it’s the United States that holds the key to all of those things. Iran serves lots of other purposes—energy, an irritant to the United States—it’s an extremely difficult tightrope for the Chinese to walk down. But I think, like I said, they would very much like the Russians to take the lead. They’re unlikely to support sanctions, but they’re likely to let the Russians take the heat for that.And on China’s overall relations in the UN Security Council, again they don’t seem to take the lead on much.No, they don’t. And we traditionally see them as very willing to abstain or take a secondary role. It’s true that over the last five years we’ve seen a more assertive, self-confident China willing to use international organizations to achieve its goals. But it is unlikely to take the lead, to be the sole member to veto any sanctions against anyone. It’s clear that in the case of the buildup to the Iraq war, it knew that France and Russia were also on the same page. And on Iran, it’s clear that Russia will be in a very similar position [opposed to sanctions] and it will let Russia take the lead.And on Pakistan, that relationship is ending on the nuclear side? Cooperation [between Pakistan and China], as far as we know, has ended. That was an unusual chapter.It dates back to a time in the 1960s and 1970s when China would have vocalized the view that the NPT and the current proliferation regime was unfair; that it was "colonial" to have two sets of countries. But that rhetoric is gone.When did they change? At the time the NPT was signed?Essentially, yes, in the early 1990s.I guess there’s a difference in attitude between the United States and China—a very significant one—in that the United States really seems very alarmed at the prospects of nuclear weapons being in North Korea’s hands, as well as the potential for military nuclear arms in Iran’s nuclear program. Has China showed that similar alarm, or not?I think in the case of North Korea, it probably already has a nuclear weapon, so we’re all kind of living with it, no matter how alarmed we are. I think the fear for the Chinese is that if North Korea declares loudly its nuclear weapons, or if North Korea tests, then Japan tests and perhaps South Korea tests and who knows what’s going to happen with Taiwan, so there’s a domino effect the Chinese are worried about. With Iran, there are not the same strategic interests involved for China. There are no Chinese troops in Iraq and there’s no strong relationship to Israel. So I think the Chinese are concerned but certainly not as alarmed as the United States.Of course, India has a nuclear program, both civilian and military. Are China’s relations with India any better than they used to be?They’re much better. When the Indians tested [in 1974], one of the official reasons they gave to the United States was China. They said they couldn’t live with China without a nuclear weapon. But Indian-Chinese relations have been really very good the last several years. There’s been improvement on the border issues; economically, there’s increasing talk about telecommunication cooperation between Chinese hardware and India’s software; and there is some sense of India and China being the two rising powers and how they’re going to manage their affairs in Asia. Have the Chinese expressed any concern about the U.S.-Indian nuclear agreement, announced last summer, which is yet to be implemented?I think there is some concern about what the agreement symbolizes, which to some people is the view that the United States is looking for regional partners to contain China. So you have not only the U.S.-India nuclear cooperation, but you have increased military exercises between the United States and India—air and naval exercises—and, at the same time, the United States is strengthening its defense ties to Japan. And so there are analysts in China who think the United States is looking for regional partners to contain China.I guess Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld made that speech in Asia, many months ago, about making India the offsetting partner against China.It’s clear that this administration from the beginning has talked about India as being a counterpoint. How did Rumsfeld’s trip to China go in October?I think expectations were set low and they were met. It was important for everyone to exchange views. There was a lot of argument about which kind of facilities Rumsfeld would see because one of the big complaints on the U.S. side is that there’s not enough transparency on the Chinese side. He did get to go to a site they’ve been asking to see for a long time, which houses the missile and nuclear programs.The U.S. military seems to be very concerned about China’s military buildup. Is this a legitimate concern?I think there have been significant improvements in the Chinese military, probably starting in 2001. They’re not surprising improvements, but perhaps they happened at a little bit faster pace than the Pentagon expected. They are clearly designed to try to coerce Taiwan back to the negotiating table or back into the fold and to delay, disrupt, or deny the United States the ability to come to Taiwan’s defense. I think that’s clear and I think it is an issue of pretty big concern for the United States.I guess at any time that could become a major issue.It could. We saw trends where people were extremely worried in the run-up to the 1999 presidential election in Taiwan. I think now, actually, people are fairly relaxed that the trends are going in a different direction because economic ties across the Taiwan Strait are so well developed. The Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) lost in the parliamentary elections. President Chen, who has been one of the promoters of Taiwanese independence, has lost his footing politically. The Chinese have reached out to the [Taiwan] Nationalist Party [TNP] and there have been visits from the highest level of the TNP to China.So right now the mood in Taiwan is to accept the status quo.Exactly.