Crispian Olver, a former senior South African government official, long-time ANC activist, and author of the new book How to Steal a City: The Battle for Nelson Mandela Bay, joins John Campbell to discuss the pervasive corruption in South Africa known as "state capture" and the state of the African National Congress.

During the nine years that Jacob Zuma led the party and was chief of state, portions of the ANC increasingly came to resemble a criminal conspiracy. In some ways, the current round of killings resembles a feud among Mafiosi.