‘The Most Persistent and Lethal Threat’

For years, security experts have warned that white nationalist and white supremacist extremism represent the most significant domestic terrorism threat to the United States. Now, in the wake of the attack on the U.S. Capitol, the country seems to be gaining clarity about the seriousness of the situation for the first time. How did we get here, and what can be done?

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  • Gabrielle Sierra
    Director, Podcasting

Asher Ross - Supervising Producer

Markus Zakaria - Audio Producer and Sound Designer

Rafaela Siewert - Associate Podcast Producer

Episode Guests
  • Bruce Hoffman
    Shelby Cullom and Kathryn W. Davis Senior Fellow for Counterterrorism and Homeland Security
  • Cynthia Miller-Idriss
    Professor, School of Public Affairs and School of Education, American University

Show Notes

Experts agree that the danger of white nationalist and white supremacist extremism has significantly outpaced Islamist extremism as a threat to U.S. national security in recent years. Now, under a new presidential administration, the problem could finally receive resources and focus in line with its seriousness. But fighting back will be challenging, not least because the threat is diffuse, widespread, and hard to track. 


White nationalism and white supremacism aren’t new, but they have taken on new dimensions in the age of social media. In this episode, two expert guests examine the roots of these ideologies, their evolution, their transnational nature, and the outlook for combating these issues in the years to come. 


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Pro-Trump Mob Breaches U.S. Capitol, Georgia’s New Senators, and More,” The World Next Week


CFR Master Class Series With Bruce Hoffman,” Bruce Hoffman 


Domestic Terrorism Strikes U.S. Capitol, and Democracy,” Bruce Hoffman 


Right-Wing Extremists: A Looming Threat to the U.S. Election,” Bruce Hoffman 


From the Arab Spring to the American Winter: Cyberspace and Democracy After the Insurrection,” David P. Fidler


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From Cynthia Miller-Idriss


When the Far Right Penetrates Law Enforcement: America Can Learn From Germany’s Response,” Foreign Affairs


Capitol attack was an epiphany for the far right. It better be one for the rest of us, too,” Boston Globe


Women are joining the far right – we need to understand why,” Guardian 


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Three key factors that drive far-right political violence — and two that don’t,” Washington Post


It Really Is Different This Time,” Politico


What happened in Washington DC is happening around the world,” Guardian


Fringe groups splinter online after Facebook and Twitter bans,” New York Times


Millions Flock to Telegram and Signal as Fears Grow Over Big Tech,” New York Times


Conspiracy theorists, far-right extremists around the world seize on the pandemic,” Politico


‘Nothing can stop what’s coming’: Far-right forums that fomented Capitol riots voice glee in aftermath,” Washington Post


A Domestic Terrorism Law Can’t Solve Right-Wing Violence,” New York Magazine 


Decoding the Far-Right Symbols at the Capitol Riot,” New York Times


A Trump Ban Is Easy. Fixing Facebook and Twitter Will Be Hard,” Wired


For Far-Right Movements, Ashli Babbitt Is Now a ‘Rallying Cry’,” New York Times


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Who Are the Proud Boys? The Group Trump Told to ‘Stand Back and Stand By’,” Wall Street Journal


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Republican Ties to Extremist Groups Are Under Scrutiny,” New York Times


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If You Were on Parler, You Saw the Mob Coming,” Sway


The people behind the insurrection,” Today, Explained

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